Deceit and Jul

The tale of the siblings Althea and Shea https://www.winterwolves.com/seasonsofthewolf.htm
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I've been playing the game on version 1.0.5, and I was just tearing my hair out with how impossible Deceit was. (ON EASY MODE)
(double-casting Cleanse, keeping the Mass Paralyze active constantly on the back row, infinite SP, and my Hide in Shadows/Critical Hit combo did absolutely zero extra damage)

... and I just found out that 1.0.6 nerfed him in easy... so, I'm about to try it out.
(probably still impossible in normal difficulty and above, though)
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There's also 1.0.7 out BTW :)
Not impossible, since people defeated him even on Nightmare, but yes quite hard!
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... I have no idea how to update this game. Do I just paste the stuff in the archive over what's installed?
Is there a way to backup my saves so they don't disappear? I can't tell where they are.

My party hasn't really been outfitted solely for offense. So, I just don't have the necessary DPS to kill him on easy (in 1.0.5).
Also, I thought he wasn't supposed to be able to double-cast Cleanse anymore? Cause he does... not to mention his infinite SP regen.

I read that Hide in Shadows was supposed to work well with Critical Hit, but it doesn't do anything...
The "Take Aim" skill doesn't seem to do anything either (to Deceit, or any other enemy in the game).
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No you just unzip the file anywhere in your HD, the saves and preferences will be automatically imported. I'm also going to update the game live on my site with a normal installer in the next weeks.
Hide In Shadows and Take Aim make QUITE a difference!!! they boost the damage a lot. I am able to win in Easy, but I wasn't able to defeat him in Normal either. So don't feel too sad, if even the developer itself can't win :lol: but several players did and they want such challenges, especially in an optional battle.
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jack1974 wrote:No you just unzip the file anywhere in your HD, the saves and preferences will be automatically imported. I'm also going to update the game live on my site with a normal installer in the next weeks.
Hide In Shadows and Take Aim make QUITE a difference!!! they boost the damage a lot. I am able to win in Easy, but I wasn't able to defeat him in Normal either. So don't feel too sad, if even the developer itself can't win :lol: but several players did and they want such challenges, especially in an optional battle.
(thanks for the help)

Take Aim has never done anything for me, and I mean nothing. I've had it since act 1, and I've used it multiple times just to see if anything changed... but it's never done anything. Just seemed like I was using up a turn when I could have been doing something else.
Hide in Shadows is sort of weird. It works with "bandages", but it doesn't do anything to the damage of Critical Hit. I haven't tried it with my other skills because I figured that it was a bug that needed to be fixed.

Incidentally, that's also why I haven't taken the "Study Enemy" skill. I assumed it might be bugged too, and be a waste of a skill point.
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Take Aim increases damage. Simply try to attack an enemy, then reload, take aim, and try again. You'll see quite a difference. Same for Critical Hit.
Normal hit:
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Normal hit after take aim (notice the increased damage):
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Critical Hit:
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Critical Hit after Hiding in Shadows:
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as you can see it makes QUITE a difference. However, maybe playing in easy mode you reach the "damage multiplier cap" so you can't do more damage than that, it might be the case. So in practice already with the normal attacks (non buffed) you reach the max damage you can do. That's the only possible explanation :)
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jack1974 wrote: as you can see it makes QUITE a difference. However, maybe playing in easy mode you reach the "damage multiplier cap" so you can't do more damage than that, it might be the case. So in practice already with the normal attacks (non buffed) you reach the max damage you can do. That's the only possible explanation :)
That might be it. I have seen some insanely high damage from Critical Hit before (far in excess of what any other character was capable of), and this was with no hide in shadows or take aim active (since I never noticed them doing anything). Actually, part of the reason I took Shea out of the main party was because his skills for that seemed useless compared to the mages, since Critical Hit only hits one enemy, and most fights seemed to be 3+ enemies on average. It was mostly a choice between having Shea on the front row or Chalassa in that place. Since Chalassa is awesome (and my favorite), it was an easy choice.
(playing as Althea with a Druid / Hunter start)
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On the note of this saving of her soul... when do I tell her after beating Deceit?
I mean, I'm sitting in act 4, and it still hasn't happened.

I still have 4/5 hearts for her, of all things!
I have no idea how to get that 5th one.
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At the very end of Act IV is when Althea tells her.

Those hearts never go higher than 4. Can't remember the explanation why there is the 5th heart, but yeah, 4 is as high as they go.
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fabulaparva wrote:At the very end of Act IV is when Althea tells her.

Those hearts never go higher than 4. Can't remember the explanation why there is the 5th heart, but yeah, 4 is as high as they go.
Yeah, I decided to play through anyway. So, I noticed.

I was acutely aware of the missing heart for a long time, and was kinda wondering why the last two bath scenes before the successful romance start didn't give the heart.
Oh well.
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