Whatever, I'll still be a loyal WW fan and support all of your games.
Re: Happy endings!
Posted: Sat Feb 15, 2014 5:28 pm
by Miakoda
I don't mind working for a happy ending either :D (Which the Loren Expansion actually did).
Spoiler:
I admit, in my own headcanon, I actually have Anne immigrating to be by Isabella's side. The fact Isabella was willing to go back home to help her village...well, that would have been the clincher :D
I admit, I hope Roommates does well enough, that we may also see an expansion down the road. Roxanne, Carmen, even Marvin (or Chad ) could be interesting additions :D
Re: Happy endings!
Posted: Sat Feb 15, 2014 6:10 pm
by Lonestar51
At least with Roommates 0.8.4, If you get the stat sum >600, you get
Spoiler:
Anne and Isabella getting together, then split apart for two years, before reuniting and teaching together south of the border.
Which almost counts as a good ending, I would think.
Re: Happy endings!
Posted: Sat Feb 15, 2014 6:15 pm
by Miakoda
Heh, I've just made note that for the 'great' ending I need to get above 600's
And without a spoiler, I would count that as an awesome ending Lonestar51
Of course, you should also do the endings that work best Jack1974. While I tend to be among those who like a 'good ending' I also have no problem with a bittersweet ending (like the original Loren/Elenor, or Loren pre-N'mar Expansino).
Re: Happy endings!
Posted: Sat Feb 15, 2014 6:16 pm
by Sylrissa
I always buy WW games full price without checking on things like this, because I want to support a developer that is so supporting of LGBT characters in games.
However I have to agree with Maelora that it has gotten to the point where it is practically all of them with very few exceptions, which is actually a large trope in homosexual romance stories, not just yours Jack.
Gayngst is a Pet Peeve Trope of many due to the fact that while it usually portrays gay people sympathetically and addresses an issue many gay people in Real Life go through, it can be interpreted as saying that it's impossible to be gay without being miserable, or that gay people don't deserve Happy Endings, or at its very worst and most ineptly-handled, homosexual relationships are innately disastrous. Gayngst is often found in the Boys Love and Girls Love works for obvious reasons. Doesn't come up quite as often in works with a Cast Full of Gay — even if a couple of characters are of the angsty persuasion, they're usually balanced out by the rest of the cast in such a way that the Unfortunate Implications are done away with.
If the story wants an uplifting tone, the character will eventually come to terms with their sexuality, have the obligatory Coming-Out Story, and live Happily Ever After with their love interest, It's this part that irks me as it rare for a lesbain/gay relationship to ever get to ride off into the sunset, even in big budget games like the Mass Effect series that hinted at a happy ending at the end of ME2 with it's dialog of "old age and lots of little blue children" but instead went for the bittersweet hero's death.
Re: Happy endings!
Posted: Sat Feb 15, 2014 6:22 pm
by Miakoda
Sylrissa wrote:
However I have to agree with Maelora that it has gotten to the point where it is practically all of them with very few exceptions, which is actually a large trope in homosexual romance stories, not just yours Jack..
And it is certainly to Jack1974's credit that he recognizes this trend. I know I haven't been a fan as long as others of you here, but from what I've seen of older games, and from reading previous posts, there is consistent improvement. And this willingness to change has garnered me (or my GF) purchasing all his games :D
For that matter, Jack1974 even promised on his twitter feed:
most of the recent GxG romances in my games have a sad/bittersweet ending. This conspiracy must end! I promise happy yuri endings in future!
Slight change:
Also read some interesting news about Nicole Yuri there as well :D
Re: Happy endings!
Posted: Sat Feb 15, 2014 6:23 pm
by jack1974
Ah wait!!! I was so busy checking the bugs in past days that indeed I missed the fact that Maelora probably got the "not happy ending" for Anne/Isabella!
This is the happy ending (stats combo >=600):
Spoiler:
"Isabella and I dated for about two years before she broke up with me. Basically, she knew she was moving to Mexico and, how did she put it?"
"She wanted to rip the band-aid off, rather than letting things fester. It tore me up, I really loved her, and I could never really understand her reasoning."
"I tried dating a couple other women-I'd long since realized men weren't for me, of course- but none of them compared."
"When I graduated and started working at the school library, that's when we met again. We got to talking as she completed her schooling."
"Well, it wasn't long before we both realized neither of us had gotten over the other. We'd both played the field a bit more and we'd both realized what we were missing."
"After she graduated she went down to Mexico immediately. Luckily the budget cutbacks at the school happened around the same time."
"It took me a little while to get my emigration papers and passport documents all arranged, but Isabella was waiting for me when I got down there."
"Her family was incredible and accepted me almost right away."
"With her degree, Isabella got a great job at the local high school. When I applied at the local elementary school, they were equally pleased to see someone so eager to teach the little ones."
"I'm just glad I thought to take Spanish while the college was still paying me to take classes. Though Isabella's family still laughs at my accent."
this is DEFINITELY a happy ending! Isabella and Anne living together in Mexico?
The other points made by Maelora stands but in this specific case, there is an happy ending, is probably just a bit hard to get (if you play in Easy mode though you should get it).
Re: Happy endings!
Posted: Sat Feb 15, 2014 6:35 pm
by Sylrissa
Miakoda wrote:but from what I've seen of older games, and from reading previous posts, there is consistent improvement. And this willingness to change has garnered me (or my GF) purchasing all his games :D
For that matter, Jack1974 even promised on his twitter feed:
most of the recent GxG romances in my games have a sad/bittersweet ending. This conspiracy must end! I promise happy yuri endings in future!
Yes thanks to feedback from both this community and his collaborators like Aleema, he has shown constant improvement from game to game, so you're spot on there Miakoda!
jack1974 wrote:
The other points made by Maelora stands but in this specific case, there is an happy ending, is probably just a bit hard to get (if you play in Easy mode though you should get it).
My post was more of some general interesting food for thought for you to think about Jack, in case you're not aware of just how common this happens in homosexual romance, where the end result is flings,breakups, or even tragic deaths.
It is of course acceptable for it to be as hard you want to make it, just as long as it ACTUALLY exists!.
Re: Happy endings!
Posted: Sat Feb 15, 2014 6:42 pm
by Maelora
Oh gods, there's a hidden happy ending?>?>?
#sooooo embarrassed now!!#
I didn't think to raise my stats that high, as I'd assumed 300/200 would do it...!
Yeah, Anne going south of the border and hooking up with her again would be a fantastic ending.
Re: Happy endings!
Posted: Sat Feb 15, 2014 6:45 pm
by Sylrissa
Maelora wrote:Oh gods, there's a hidden happy ending?>?>?
#sooooo embarrassed now!!#
I didn't think to raise my stats that high, as I'd assumed 300/200 would do it...!
Yeah, Anne going south of the border and hooking up with her again would be a fantastic ending.
Don't be embarressed Maelora!, even if it turns out to be wrong for this game, since there is a happy ending for them. You still brought up a very good point outside this situation and got me back to thinking on this topic a lot.
) could be interesting additions :D
