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George RR rulez

Post by jack1974 » Wed Jul 24, 2013 7:09 am

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found this on a retweet. He's so right! Unless is a fairy tale for children, there's never black or white characters, but a lots of shades of gray.

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Re: George RR rulez

Post by Sylrissa » Wed Jul 24, 2013 8:20 am

I saw that before, it's a very interesting point to think about.

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Re: George RR rulez

Post by P_Tigras » Wed Jul 24, 2013 11:11 pm

Historically speaking, most scholars, including historians, poets, and storytellers, were in the pay of rulers. Therefore they tended to white-wash the rule of their paymasters, making them sound much more benevolent then they actually were. In the modern day a lot of adventure stories are aimed at children, with clear good guys (white hats), and clear bad guys (black hats), and thus we have the classic "and they lived happily ever after" ending. There is also a slice of the population that doesn't want realism, they want escapist fantasy where all the decisions are easy. So there is a long tradition of this sort of highly unrealistic pap in fantasy literature. To fans of realism, however, this sort of writing is nothing more than complete and unadulterated bullshit.

Our notion of governmental responsibilities has expanded considerably since medieval times. No matter how powerful you are as a King, the amount of resources at your disposal are still limited. And after a war that has devastated your country, your tax base isn't going to be as strong as it was since your infrastructure has been gutted and countless citizens have lost everything to the invading Orcs. Good luck pushing a new tax through to force your citizens to fund the rehabilitation of the Orcs who have murdered their family members, raped their women, and burned their homes, farms and businesses. Before you even consider rehabilitating the Orcs, you need to first ensure that there is enough food to feed your people and resources are available for them to rebuild their homes and businesses. And by the time you've nailed those things down, your people will probably have taken the decision regarding the Orcs out of your hands, murdering every single Orc they find away from their mountain fortresses in a fit of righteous vengeance. Then you'd be faced with the discomforting prospect of either defending the Orcs who nearly wiped out your country against your own people, and being labeled an "Orc lover", or turning a blind eye to the genocide. If you tried to stop the vigilantes, your own troops would probably secretly cooperate with them, and work against you, possibly even mutinying if you pushed the issue too strongly. And there were no telephones, airplanes, or even automobiles back then. So the farther away people were from your capital, the less concerned people were with following your orders. By the time information flowed back to you weeks or even months have passed, and the information is unlikely to be entirely accurate. Oh, and every Orc who you manage to save that later commits a murder or some other crime will be blamed on you.

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Re: George RR rulez

Post by deathknight1728 » Mon Sep 02, 2013 2:32 am

Romance of the Three Kingdoms was a perfect example of this. Shu sounded good and Wei sounded evil, with wu being neutral. Too bad after some hard research its the other way around. I read up on the bad guy and it turns out he was just brutal to his enemies but...he was kind to all his people that work for him and made actual changes to the land. The other guys just focused on war and were hypocrites the lot of them.

The 2200 page novel not only made up some of the biggest stories but they made every fighter on "The good guys" into a god. I sided with the bad guys, they made some changes and had a policy of "Don't mess with me!"

The best rulers are the ones who are goodnatured and have a great deal of common sense. Common sense will allow you to look at things from a good perspective and if you value the little guy that helps too ;)
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