Growth of the PC Saren/Elenor

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Growth of the PC Saren/Elenor

Post by Neverr » Wed Jan 22, 2014 7:12 am

In Loren: The Amazon Princess within the game we found a surprising amount of character development. To list a few examples:

Loren - Her character perhaps underwent the largest character growth within the game while still maintaining her aura of nobility/superiority, which was nice. Gaining sympathy for the trash of her society and changing the entirety of Amazon culture is no small feat even for a queen.

Various side characters - A common theme for most of the developing side characters which is basically moving past their prejudices and gaining a better understanding that the lines between good and evil, right and wrong are not so clear.

Or instead of character growth, just learning more about the character in depth like characters such as Chambara. In fact, I very much enjoyed nearly all of the characters I met as they all had a strong unique personality that helped give flavor to the game and conversations they participated in.

I list all these to note that the game felt alive with growing characters. My reason for creating this thread and main topic of concern is that while the world is alive, the PC is very much a stoic, stock personality whose personal development, or even character revelation is somewhat stunted compared to the rest of the characters. While the Character itself wasn't bland perhaps, the PC felt like it was the exact same person at the end of the game that he/she did at the beginning.
Taking Saren for example, I didn't think much of it when he was but a slave. However when he got honored with second in command, his backbone stayed the same for the rest of the game it seemed. I would of liked to see the character begin to defend himself more, or rather just hold more pride in himself. It's hinted multiple times how carefree and casual he was allowed to be with his previous mistress, so when he was granted a title that gave him equal footing as most the rest of his country, I was surprised to see his demeanor didn't change.

I don't mean to sound like a harsh critic because I loved the game, It was just one of the bigger things that stuck out to me as a player. It would be great to see Saren and Elenor even grow as characters. I would go so far as to say (at least for myself) that player character development is more important than other characters. Please think about it!

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Re: Growth of the PC Saren/Elenor

Post by jack1974 » Wed Jan 22, 2014 8:34 am

Well about the attitude towards Loren, the PC was still an inferior grade to her. So I think is normal that his/her attitude didn't change much in that regard.
Also consider that is a bit hard when you offer the option to shape the personality through the Friendly/Joking/Forceful choices. If you pick only Forceful, you'll see that PC behaves differently in some situations towards the end of the story.
Anyway, in the sequel the PC plays a much bigger/important role in the story, taking decisions, etc, stay assured! :wink:

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Re: Growth of the PC Saren/Elenor

Post by Neverr » Wed Jan 22, 2014 8:56 am

Aye, perhaps I went the wrong route of what I was intending to say. It felt like Saren/Elenor had no real importance in the story in the first one. We are classified as hero and in combat itself we are vital, but the actual storyline it felt like we were just another subordinate, instead of a leading factor that could shape the influence of the war. I'm glad to hear you say that the PC will have a bigger impact. Hopefully standing at the forefront in important decisions! (props for the little things though like being able to choose to kill mesh or let him live. Hopefully we see more of that but in situations that's part of the storyline!)

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Re: Growth of the PC Saren/Elenor

Post by lexius87 » Wed Jan 22, 2014 12:57 pm

honestly, i kind of liked that the PC wasn't really all that important.
To me the first game (as the name suggests) was really about Loren and you as her slave really was just along for the ride so to speak.

It was a very nice change of pace from the normal way of "PC=THE hero"

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Re: Growth of the PC Saren/Elenor

Post by Neverr » Thu Jan 23, 2014 2:03 am

Yeah, and that's a perspective that some could take for sure. Nothing wrong with that, I was just voicing my objection! I just like my character being important, I'm vain :s.

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Re: Growth of the PC Saren/Elenor

Post by megaman12321 » Fri Jan 24, 2014 1:45 am

I am remembering the protagonist from Persona 4 all over again. His personality was something we shape and people asked us things like Loren does. Then the anime came along and did the exact same thing yet somehow made it unbelievably funny. I do see Neverr's point about the PC not really given much focus, and tons of RPGs forget to do that too. It's hard to actually make a PC that is unique, as if taken too little, they tend to be stoic, but taken to far and they become their own characters, not a PC. It's a hard middle-ground, but usually that perfect solution involves ALOT of writing and consideration. Fire Emblem Awakening, in my opinion, managed to do it, but I can't even imagine the effort it must have taken to pull it off.

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Re: Growth of the PC Saren/Elenor

Post by Neverr » Sat Jan 25, 2014 9:21 am

Ah, the Fire Emblem series. Perhaps my favorite of all time. It's a shame they never moved on from GameCube/small handheld systems. It'd be great if the PC in the sequel had the same unique feel without taking away from the player. Here's to hoping!

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Re: Growth of the PC Saren/Elenor

Post by Miakoda » Sat Jan 25, 2014 2:06 pm

Neverr wrote:Yeah, and that's a perspective that some could take for sure. Nothing wrong with that, I was just voicing my objection! I just like my character being important, I'm vain :s.
And if you notice, no one had an issue with it either, and many would agree. :)

One thing I do like this forum is that for the most part, people can actually to agree to disagree (look at the dialogue going on about armor aesthetics versus function).

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Re: Growth of the PC Saren/Elenor

Post by megaman12321 » Sat Jan 25, 2014 2:31 pm

Miakoda wrote:
Neverr wrote:Yeah, and that's a perspective that some could take for sure. Nothing wrong with that, I was just voicing my objection! I just like my character being important, I'm vain :s.
And if you notice, no one had an issue with it either, and many would agree. :)

One thing I do like this forum is that for the most part, people can actually to agree to disagree (look at the dialogue going on about armor aesthetics versus function).
I actually was wondering about that. This forum is pretty nice and civil compared to other forums I've been through. It's amazing since I'm still expecting at least one hate thread or something like that, since even the most trivial forums have those. It's odd, but very nice.

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Re: Growth of the PC Saren/Elenor

Post by Neverr » Sat Jan 25, 2014 2:33 pm

megaman12321 wrote:
Miakoda wrote:
Neverr wrote:Yeah, and that's a perspective that some could take for sure. Nothing wrong with that, I was just voicing my objection! I just like my character being important, I'm vain :s.
And if you notice, no one had an issue with it either, and many would agree. :)

One thing I do like this forum is that for the most part, people can actually to agree to disagree (look at the dialogue going on about armor aesthetics versus function).
I actually was wondering about that. This forum is pretty nice and civil compared to other forums I've been through. It's amazing since I'm still expecting at least one hate thread or something like that, since even the most trivial forums have those. It's odd, but very nice.
Yeah I am vastly surprised as well. I'm glad I joined this community as it's a nice to have some fresh air every now and then.

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