Mature/Sexual Content?

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Jaeger
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Re: Mature/Sexual Content?

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It's not what I look for specifically in a game, but if it's handled carefully, I wouldn't complain.

Having sex as the main theme could be hard to sell though. It was already mentioned that there is a possibility of giving a bad first impression. Also, some digital distribution platforms may impose rules regarding sexual content, which would limit where this game can be sold.
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jack1974
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OtterFace wrote:On a side note, I actually find that scantily-clad ladies on any type of game make me avoid it almost automatically. Even more so due to the fact that they are so common in games, even though their presence is just cheap and exploitative most of the time. :roll:
that was a big problem for Loren indeed. The fact that there were equally scantily dressed men didn't seem to matter to people. I can understand though since in most games (in particular AAA/mainstream) the women are really badly written and used to sell the game with the body, instead of having a strong character, being smart, not passive, etc. That's also why Loren 2 and SOTW and my other future games will have more covered characters (also for realism!), but still have sexy scenes :)
OtterFace wrote: Cool! Really looking forward to it. :)
Who is the writer? Have they worked on another game of yours?
Writer? MrEnvy8 is just another slaves of my mines! <cracks whip>
Jokes apart it's his first game, but his writing is both funny (was a requirement for this game) but also deep when needed. Check the game forums for an intro video with some funny scenes, and this image for some more "serious" writing:
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he's now working on Undead Lily since he's an expert of RPGs and CCG in particular :)
Jaeger wrote:Having sex as the main theme could be hard to sell though. It was already mentioned that there is a possibility of giving a bad first impression. Also, some digital distribution may impose rules regarding sexual content, which would limit where this game can be sold.
Yeah I don't want to have sex as main theme, too risky. I honestly think that my games are all very sexy compared to the other indies, of course excluding those making explicitly eroge/porn games :lol:
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jack1974 wrote:The fact that there were equally scantily dressed men didn't seem to matter to people.
For the record, I appreciated this thoroughly! I don't get enough male eye candy in my everyday video games. Loren definitely helps fill that void. Thank you, Jack, for catering to my needs.

Aaaaaanyway, more on topic. As long as it's a Winter Wolves game and I have the ability to romance something I would buy it, sexy adult content or not. I have full faith in Jack's games so he can just do whatever he wants and I'll be happy. Though it never hurts to have more bxb... And it'd be nice to date some of those sexy monsters in Loren... (You can ignore me now. I'm being unreasonable. :P)
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OtterFace
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The fact that there were equally scantily dressed men didn't seem to matter to people.
It totally mattered to me! Having this equal opportunity objectification averted my usual skepticism when it came to Loren.
My first impression of "ugh, more boobs" quickly changed to "whoa, this is actually consistent across all characters!" as soon as I saw the screenshots. I remember being pretty impressed. We don't see this kind of thing in most mainstream games.

But, maybe keeping the characters a bit more covered (to begin with) might be a good idea. :mrgreen:
Yeah I don't want to have sex as main theme, too risky.
Perfectly understandable. I don't think anyone would really want it to be more than a secondary/tertiary theme.
I honestly think that my games are all very sexy compared to the other indies, of course excluding those making explicitly eroge/porn games :lol:
That's actually true. I hope I don't sound like a complete perv asking for more sexy content. :-?
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OtterFace wrote: That's actually true. I hope I don't sound like a complete perv asking for more sexy content. :-?
Hmm sorry, it's too late for that! :mrgreen:
Anyway if you play Loren (in the Easy mode the RPG part is really simple) let me know what you think of the romances. I think that it's a good example of how far I want to go (the maximum I mean) both in images and texts :)
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Hmm sorry, it's too late for that! :mrgreen:
Darn!
But yeah, it sounds like I should really add Loren to my shopping list. For...erm, research purposes. :mrgreen:
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I like games that can get kind of gritty and maybe show a universe that is a little more mature and nuanced than normal. Two games that fit this for me are the Neverwinter Nights mod "Dance with Rogues" and the Choice of Games adventure "Choice of Romance". They both let the player pick different solutions to problems, and there are always consequences.

In ADWR you play a princess trying to survive on the streets after she escapes the sacking of the capital. Suddenly alone she needs to figure out quickly how she's going to leverage her skills. Will she steal, mug, work, con or prostitute herself to survive?

In COR it's a young person at court and you can manipulate court politics through leveraging power, wealth, and seduction.

I'd love to see a game from Winter Wolves similar in theme to ADWR. it's a gritty setting where some people are out to take advantage of the heroine and others are kind hearted and willing to help. Almost every challenge can be solved multiple ways. Generally through money, brute force, stealth, persuasion, or seduction. Depending on your character, and the choices you made, some may be more likely to succeed than others. I could easily see the "sins" mechanic used in Heileen being used here

Something is also like to see is a characters actions effecting some reputation sliders. Which will change how people react to the character. Become a notorious thug and some may be intimidated but the police will look down on you. Be the school tramp and some people will seek you out but others will judge and hate you.
I think in the end if mature content gets implemented this way, where it is a choice and a core mechanic of the game then it stops being just for titilation.

George RR Martin put a lot of grit and sexuality into the Song of Ice and Fire series and created a great piece off tie storytelling in a genre that tended to cater to more black and white views of the world. I think something like that from WInter Wolves could tell a great story as well
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Ideally it'd be optional and there could be an option to turn the mature stuff off. The stuff in Roommates was already pushing it a bit for me at times. O////O
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jack1974 wrote:that was a big problem for Loren indeed. The fact that there were equally scantily dressed men didn't seem to matter to people. I can understand though since in most games (in particular AAA/mainstream) the women are really badly written and used to sell the game with the body, instead of having a strong character, being smart, not passive, etc. That's also why Loren 2 and SOTW and my other future games will have more covered characters (also for realism!), but still have sexy scenes :)
I think this is very sad because in this kind of games art direction is very important, not just sexy scenes. I personally prefer the art in Loren, so if in all your future games (Loren 2, SoTW etc) there are a change in art direction (especially about clothes/ appearance) maybe Loren is the last game i bought from you then.

I already played SoTW Beta and hated for appearance/clothes art direction (why everyone in there must use covered clothes even in south / tropical climate).
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In Loren 2 there are still some sexy outfits, but not like Loren 1. I think Loren 1 was quite exaggerated :lol: I mean, like Myrth... :mrgreen:
With SOTW I wanted to try something different, try to get players for the RPG part more than the story/romances (which are still present). It has the isometric maps and a crazy amount of improvements on Loren's gameplay (spent like 6 months just coding the improvements!!).
I'll see how it goes - I know that the excessive sexyness of Loren was a bit damaging the game, but if SOTW approach does worse, I'll go back to the sexyness. I like sexy and erotic stuff, but unfortunately is VERY HARD to sell it and a lot of people in the videogame industry see it as a negative thing :(

Anyway: Loren 2 will be more similar to Loren 1 than SOTW. In the bonus content images there are two versions, and one features full nudity again 8)
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