future dating sims might be female romances only

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Re: future dating sims might be female romances only

Post by BobTheMob » Thu Jun 07, 2018 10:48 pm

Just as long as it ain't strictly yuri, please.

(Nothin against those who are such irl, just prefer to ply games that way.)
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Re: future dating sims might be female romances only

Post by Ryocchi » Fri Jun 08, 2018 9:06 pm

the thing with COOT is that Obscura was a total newbie when she started and she was doing EEEEEEVerything, History, coding, sprites, art, every single thing.so at the point of the kickstarter or a little before she scratched everything and began again but with more experience and once the kickstarter was successful she was able to hire doubleleaf for the art, but yep she practically did the game completely alone, and for the size of the project it was freaking amazing.

Also I want to put emphasis again that if you look at COOT NONE of the characters, absolutely none are feminine guys, nowadays feminine characters aren't directed at a gay audience they are called traps and are directed to a male heterosexual audience, the girlie and more perfect the character is the better, just slap a little pinkie dick on it.
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Re: future dating sims might be female romances only

Post by jack1974 » Fri Jun 08, 2018 9:09 pm

Don't get me wrong, I am not criticizing her work, more like the opposite. I know her a bit (we exchanged some tips when I started adding yaoi in games) and she's very cool :) And I think she did an awesome job. I am not an expert of yaoi but before Dream Daddy I think her game was one of the best/more famous.

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Post by Ryocchi » Fri Jun 08, 2018 9:11 pm

I didn't think you were criticizing her, I was just putting into light why COOT could have took so much time in the making =)

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Re: future dating sims might be female romances only

Post by Sylrissa » Sat Jun 09, 2018 12:42 am

I'll stick to enjoying my yuri or otome games personally.

Being able to play as a female is rare enough (especially outside of this genre) just look at the stupid drama over having a woman on the new battlefield game cover and being able to romance another woman is an option in an even smaller number of titles.

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Re: future dating sims might be female romances only

Post by DarkWolf » Sat Jun 09, 2018 4:47 am

Ryocchi wrote:
Fri Jun 08, 2018 9:06 pm
Also I want to put emphasis again that if you look at COOT NONE of the characters, absolutely none are feminine guys, nowadays feminine characters aren't directed at a gay audience they are called traps and are directed to a male heterosexual audience, the girlie and more perfect the character is the better, just slap a little pinkie dick on it.
Actually this isn't quite true. It's true that feminine guys in BxB aren't often aimed at gay guys but it's not true they are traps and aimed at male heterosexual audience, they are mostly aimed at female heterosexual audience. As you know VNs come from Japan and in Japan feminine and perfect guys are considered attractive by heterosexual females and why most guys in Otome VNs tend to be more on feminine side while it is rare to find a very masculine characters in them, and the same is true for japanese male idols that are aimed at female audience (Just google japanese male idols and look at pictures, all are feminine guys). This is why there is a distinguishen between Shounen-AI/Yaoi and Bara, while I know western people tend to label all BxB content under yaoi the truth is part of yaoi definition was always that it was mostly a genre aimed at female heterosexual audience while Bara was the BxB genre aimed at gay guys witch often had more masculine characters.

Traps on the other hand are mostly present in generally BXG stories and a pseudo GxG content. While it's not unheard of for them to be in yaoi as well it is actually not that often as traps tend to applies more to heterosexual males then heterosexual females at witch genre is aimed at. (And sometimes true also rarely are there to represent trans people.)

This is also why BxB content can be more hard to make as female heterosexuals fans and actual gay guys fans taste tends to be a lot more divided then for GxG were (Porn games aside) female homosexuals and male heterosexual fanbase don't have that significant huge gap in taste.

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Post by jack1974 » Sat Jun 09, 2018 6:09 am

DarkWolf wrote:
Sat Jun 09, 2018 4:47 am
This is also why BxB content can be more hard to make as female heterosexuals fans and actual gay guys fans taste tends to be a lot more divided then for GxG were (Porn games aside) female homosexuals and male heterosexual fanbase don't have that significant huge gap in taste.
I don't know about the other things Darkwolf said, but I think this last part is very true.
Also, it's harder for me to find artists that draw handsome muscular men well. For example some of my artists are completely unable to draw that, despite being good artists overall. So there's also that to take into consideration.

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Post by Ryocchi » Sat Jun 09, 2018 4:42 pm

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This is a good reference. (Hint hint) still waiting for the game.

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Re: future dating sims might be female romances only

Post by Ryocchi » Sat Jun 09, 2018 4:48 pm

DarkWolf wrote:
Sat Jun 09, 2018 4:47 am
Ryocchi wrote:
Fri Jun 08, 2018 9:06 pm
Also I want to put emphasis again that if you look at COOT NONE of the characters, absolutely none are feminine guys, nowadays feminine characters aren't directed at a gay audience they are called traps and are directed to a male heterosexual audience, the girlie and more perfect the character is the better, just slap a little pinkie dick on it.
Actually this isn't quite true. It's true that feminine guys in BxB aren't often aimed at gay guys but it's not true they are traps and aimed at male heterosexual audience, they are mostly aimed at female heterosexual audience. As you know VNs come from Japan and in Japan feminine and perfect guys are considered attractive by heterosexual females and why most guys in Otome VNs tend to be more on feminine side while it is rare to find a very masculine characters in them, and the same is true for japanese male idols that are aimed at female audience (Just google japanese male idols and look at pictures, all are feminine guys). This is why there is a distinguishen between Shounen-AI/Yaoi and Bara, while I know western people tend to label all BxB content under yaoi the truth is part of yaoi definition was always that it was mostly a genre aimed at female heterosexual audience while Bara was the BxB genre aimed at gay guys witch often had more masculine characters.

Traps on the other hand are mostly present in generally BXG stories and a pseudo GxG content. While it's not unheard of for them to be in yaoi as well it is actually not that often as traps tend to applies more to heterosexual males then heterosexual females at witch genre is aimed at. (And sometimes true also rarely are there to represent trans people.)

This is also why BxB content can be more hard to make as female heterosexuals fans and actual gay guys fans taste tends to be a lot more divided then for GxG were (Porn games aside) female homosexuals and male heterosexual fanbase don't have that significant huge gap in taste.
The yaoi and shounen ai genre has been evolving if you look at digiket or other sites at what's trending feminine guys have been on the declive, also, japanese male idols are not as popular os they once were, the Korean male idols on the other hand are, and if you see the similarities, the most popular ones are the masculine ones and are often portrayed in magazines like Men's Health, even companies like Voltage which release an stupid amount of dating sims has almost completely devoid their games of feminine looking guys in the latest releases.

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Re: future dating sims might be female romances only

Post by jack1974 » Sat Jun 09, 2018 4:57 pm

Ryocchi wrote:
Sat Jun 09, 2018 4:42 pm
This is a good reference. (Hint hint) still waiting for the game.
I bet, that's the supreme artist AKA Loren's artist. I wish he was still working for me :mrgreen: As for that game, should be the next after PS2, Loren 2 and Undead Lily so... might take a while :oops:

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