when they had goals which become harder and harder and that make them stronger over a longer period of time not just a week or two, and then their final boss isn't really a god or something like that but still very powerful, which is shown when they're defeated by their mother, and that shows how they developed and even if they didn't reach their mother's level of power they still became much greater

when I considered N'Mar / Mother Morte as adorator of the cult of the dead, so Czhulu seemed appropriate. There was this little "plot hole" left unexplained in Loren (I remember some posts when that game was in development, players asking why the lizardmen captured Karen, and how comes that she fell in love with a man) and I had this enlightening moment to fix it this way. Now everything in Loren should make more sense

I must admit that I feel it takes something away from Loren's story, that Karen was fooled into falling in love with a man. I liked that Karen, the queen herself, kind of spurned her society's rules to be with the one she loved, but then we now find out it was only because she was magically coerced to do so. Pfeh, that's cheap.

even if was by magic, she still was in love. What you said still stands. It's not like Karen knew it. So, for her, was true love, and she still challenged the amazons rules

Besides even if you don't consider that explanation valid, we have already Loren who can fall in love for a man (Saren)... unless we want all amazons suddenly to become all bisex, I think that ending was a good idea (I'm not saying it only because I wrote it )

I'm not very fond of "Magic/hypnotism/brain control made me do it" plots in the first place. It takes away choice and human agency, and is a cheap way of getting from A to B (and I think it's really bad writing ).



And hey, if both Karen and Loren fell for men, it could be something that runs in the family. Or maybe it's the times, and a change is happening with the amazons? Well, only until we find out in your next game that a hidden villain used magic to turn Loren het.

I wrote it as Ryzom made Karen fall in love with him naturally, without magic. But then I thought would have been seen as weird, since Karen is amazon and is lesbian and I think could have hurt the gay community feeling? Not sure if is better or worse with magic.

And anyway it's just one person - it's not like in modern tv series when everything is solved through "hackers!" the new magic. Every tv show now has some hacker guy who can solve all situations instantly. Now that's what I call really bad writing, but that's done in top tv series, so what I know?

now I no more wonder wtf lizardmen were doing with Karen, or why she was in love with a man, and then I couldn't romance her with Saren (double WTF!). Totally satisfying 100%

the Lizardmen apparently killed Ryzom pre-game, I figured Karen regained her mind on and off, thus they murdered him for failing. So I didn't dwell on the implications.

it's Ryzom who in the end fell in love with Karen and at the last minute he told her or something, and because of this the lizardmen killed him? It's more open ended than I thought

I was a little surprised that none of those endings had you turning your love interest to join you for eternity, btw.

I thought about having one become a vampire, I mean it was a "normal" choice. I didn't do it, but of course this doesn't mean that couldn't happen to one of the various couples, especially with humans who would live a much shorter life (Leena, Jasper, etc). So while I didn't write it, it's mostly because the epilogues describe the immediate events after the end, but I like to think that some of those will become a vampire couple in future

I will say, after revisiting the romance with Eleanor and Karen knowing the truth about Ryzom i'm noticing how a fair few of the conversations with Karen feel devalued and odd now. Like when talking to her on if she loved Ryzom, Eleanor puts her hand to Karen's heart and says 'this is law' when actually it wasn't, it was her mind that was charmed. Or in they're sex scene together when Karen talks about how she 'only believed love could happen once in ones life' or when Grob uses the image of Ryzom to make her hesitate. I don't know, it just feels very strange now, knowing that queen Karen was basically magically tricked and charmed, fell in love against her will, was used on that basis and even after Ryzom died she still loved him as if it were genuine (maybe it was but then if she is a lesbian then why did she still feel herself attracted and longing for him). That being said I do sort of like how its ambiguous as to why Ryzom was dead and not Karen and that makes it all very curious to me. Just thought i'd give my critiques and thoughts on that scene as I honestly feel it devalued a lot of Karen and her role in Loren 1.

I change the scene and remove the magic? The lizardmen still ask Ryzom to have Karen fall in love with her, but without magic? would that be better? Or I can just say the Lizardmen want revenge against Karen, and at same time their next sacrificial victim (Ryzom) has escaped, and stop.

I mean, I only wanted to justify why Lizardmen hold a grudge against Karen, but I can change that little epilogue scene without problem since the game is not officially out yet thanks

the Lizardmen plant a suggestion in Ryzom's mind, to carry out the same scheme without him putting any spells on Karen. Much the same plan, and twist on events, and explains why they kill him for succeeding at getting her to their temple. He's just a pawn.

Don't get me wrong I really like that your trying to fill in plot holes, its a sign of someone trying to improve their work and I respect that a lot. Mostly I think setting Ryzom up as a fairly straight up evil cultist who enchants Karen (with a possible but inevitable failure in trying to save Karen later) invalidates his character (along with some of Karen) and his impact on the story a lot for me in Loren 1 and Cursed Lands. One idea would be Ryzom being a young and naive cult initiate whose being put to the ultimate test and being sent out by the lizard king to exact revenge on Karen by implanting him with the amazons and having him trick her or otherwise lead her to the swamps to her death, by any means he see's fit. End it with Ryzom stuttering out a 'Why her?' and a 'Y-yes I understand.' Some slight hesitation without him outright saying that he's absolute in this or not. And whether or not Ryzom actually charmed Karen or fell in love with her naturally (and vice versa) is left unspecified as to leave it open ended for audiences as well as to whether or not he had last minutes doubts and tried to help her but was killed in the process. Otherwise my ignorant opinion is to just remove him from the cult altogether, have the lizards mention him in passing without him being part of their group. Just my idea on how I believe it could be improved to better fit Karen and the story, hope this looks good and sane to both you and other fans. But thanks a whole lot for responding and actually listening to criticism, means a lot to actually see the dev communicating with fans like this so thanks and I hope to see more Karen soon. :D

Probably being more vague about Ryzom is not a bad idea. The main thing for me was to provide a reason for the Lizardmen to capture Karen, so after that's done, the rest is not so important