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Troyen Oct 25, 2014
More description bugs:



The scroll of haste for mages says it increases speed by 50%. The tooltip for the actual buff icon says it was increased by 60%. One of these is wrong!



Same thing for the Potion of Minor Haste. Description says 30%, tooltip says 20%.
Troyen Oct 25, 2014
Haste buffs override one another. If I use a Potion of Minor Haste and follow up with a Scroll of Haste, my target gets six turns at 60%. Or vice-versa if I mess up the order.
jack1974 Oct 25, 2014
Using Heavy Explosive Bomb on Deceit seems to be bugged. It's https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/4071729/Bleed.png like the description and the combat log says:

Yes the bleeding was removed in some update time ago (lost count!) because earlier was too powerful. It doesn't work on bosses only, so it shouldn't display that in the log since is a bit confusing :)
Haste buffs override one another. If I use a Potion of Minor Haste and follow up with a Scroll of Haste, my target gets six turns at 60%. Or vice-versa if I mess up the order.

Yes this is "normal", is how the engine works. For example even the bleeding are slightly different but when you do one, it extends the turns but applies the last casted one (its values).
Troyen Oct 25, 2014
Using Heavy Explosive Bomb on Deceit seems to be bugged. It's https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/4071729/Bleed.png like the description and the combat log says:

Yes the bleeding was removed in some update time ago (lost count!) because earlier was too powerful. It doesn't work on bosses only, so it shouldn't display that in the log since is a bit confusing :)

Can you change the bomb item descriptions to say "Does 75 HP of damage to a single target in the front row and inflicts bleeding to non-boss enemies."?
Haste buffs override one another. If I use a Potion of Minor Haste and follow up with a Scroll of Haste, my target gets six turns at 60%. Or vice-versa if I mess up the order.

Yes this is "normal", is how the engine works. For example even the bleeding are slightly different but when you do one, it extends the turns but applies the last casted one (its values).

I remember bleeding did this, but it seems open to abuse for haste potions as a cheap way to get 6 turns of super haste instead of 3. Well, then again, the bosses you really need it against all have mass dispel, so maybe not.



(An alternative would be to have actual separate haste buffs, but only apply the one that provided the greatest effect. So I could have 1 turn of Haste 60% and 3 turns of Haste 20% and my haste bonus is 60% the first turn and 20% the next two. That's what the recent changes to the WoW buff engine have done. But explaining this in-game might be confusing.)



Also, please fix the descriptions or tooltips so I know whether the weak haste is 20 or 30 and the scroll of haste 50 or 60. :)
jack1974 Oct 26, 2014

Can you change the bomb item descriptions to say "Does 75 HP of damage to a single target in the front row and inflicts bleeding to non-boss enemies."?

Yes will do that indeed!



(An alternative would be to have actual separate haste buffs, but only apply the one that provided the greatest effect. So I could have 1 turn of Haste 60% and 3 turns of Haste 20% and my haste bonus is 60% the first turn and 20% the next two. That's what the recent changes to the WoW buff engine have done. But explaining this in-game might be confusing.)



Also, please fix the descriptions or tooltips so I know whether the weak haste is 20 or 30 and the scroll of haste 50 or 60. :)

Yes right now I can't change this, because having separate buffs and using only the most powerful would mean a lot of changes that I don't want to do now to the game. Will fix the descriptions though :)
jack1974 Oct 28, 2014
I am uploading right now 0.9.8 which will have this "hidden menu" where you can adjust the fights. You have several options, each one increases attack and speed, and decrease HP. Speed too, because a problem I've noticed in many battles is that if your party is faster, and the enemies have less HP, you can hit them first and reduce their HP by a good amount, so even reducing the HP can backfire (another case of battles turning too easy).

Of course as said elsewhere, because I'd like the game to be out next month, I cannot do BIG changes now. But leaving an optional menu, yes sure :) Also, if you followed me with Loren, I made several updates even after the game was out. So if enough people test the game with the "tweak-menu" and can beat it, I'm willing to implement the tweaks.



In practice I'm letting people try the game at different tweaks and give me feedback. That's all I can do right now. I've lowered the HP and increased attack a bit overall in NM, but minor change. With the menu you can even increase attack by 30%, speed by 15% and reduce HP by 30%. But that can lead to fun results :mrgreen:



I think a problem of this combat system is also the turn order, since the initial speed / movement order can have devastating effects:

turn 1 - Jariel moves, casts Lullaby slowing down all enemies

turn 2 - because of 1, I can use Hunter and Take Aim

turn 3 - Vaelis can use Rally increasing attack power

turn 4 - Chalassa's No chances does frontrow damage

turn 5 - Rowinda does backrow damage

etc etc etc. so by turn 6 you could have almost destroyed the opponent party, even if they got time to act, the battle is definitely in your favor. I am not sure honestly what could be changed though. I don't think with this system that EACH battle should be hard, since in many quests you have to fight several battles in sequence, so is also about "endurance" (yes you won the 1st, but how is your party going to be in the 7th fight?).



It was a design choice of not having the party regain full HP/SP after each fight (like in most fights of Loren), but I didn't expect to have such consequences. Anyway at least the boss battles seems tough enough and in general people seems to have fun with the game, so that's something :mrgreen:
jack1974 Oct 28, 2014
OK I've added the new build. In general, Easy is OK. Normal I think is OK too, because it's just above Easy. So I don't think I'll touch those levels. If people find the game too easy on normal they should just move to Hard/Nightmare :)

I'm looking for feedback in those two difficulties in particular if you try to tweak the fights with the new menu. The main goal is not much to change the difficulty since I think is fine, but shorten the battle times, while still providing a good challenge. Thanks :)
fabulaparva Oct 28, 2014
Nice new BG! :)


love the flatlined doll on the ground :P


Loretexts for the new items work, also new loretexts for the twinStaff and twinShield, but the following rewards still have the old placeholders: twinSword, BleedingHEart and Will'o'wisp.



Also, I had one random save loading crash, but now I can't find the save that caused it (I was trying to find a save where the shops would reload and the twin get their items, so I moved around a lot, this was just one crash upon loading tens of other saves, as I was trying to find the right ones :P) as I have " a few saves" over 500 at this point. If I'll run into that again, I'll send the save to you.



That's the tracback, anyway.


I'm sorry, but an uncaught exception occurred.



While running game code:

File "game/plot/map.rpy", line 1341, in script call

File "renpy/common/00start.rpy", line 67, in script

label _after_load:

File "renpy/common/000window.rpy", line 76, in _window_auto_callback

if not store._window_auto:

NameError: global name 'store' is not defined



-- Full Traceback ------------------------------------------------------------



Full traceback:

File "D:\Games\SOTW-0.9.8.1-all\SOTW-0.9.8.1-all\renpy\bootstrap.py", line 289, in bootstrap

renpy.main.main()

File "D:\Games\SOTW-0.9.8.1-all\SOTW-0.9.8.1-all\renpy\main.py", line 357, in main

run(restart)

File "D:\Games\SOTW-0.9.8.1-all\SOTW-0.9.8.1-all\renpy\main.py", line 77, in run

renpy.execution.run_context(True)

File "D:\Games\SOTW-0.9.8.1-all\SOTW-0.9.8.1-all\renpy\execution.py", line 598, in run_context

context.run()

File "game/plot/map.rpy", line 1341, in script call

File "renpy/common/00start.rpy", line 67, in script

label _after_load:

File "D:\Games\SOTW-0.9.8.1-all\SOTW-0.9.8.1-all\renpy\ast.py", line 728, in execute

statement_name("label")

File "D:\Games\SOTW-0.9.8.1-all\SOTW-0.9.8.1-all\renpy\ast.py", line 41, in statement_name

i(name)

File "renpy/common/000window.rpy", line 76, in _window_auto_callback

if not store._window_auto:

NameError: global name 'store' is not defined



Windows-7-6.1.7601-SP1

Ren'Py 6.18.3.761

Seasons Of The Wolf 0.9.8



Long ago there was the minor glitch of a sticky tooltip that remained on the screen. This actually happens everytime if you have your mouse over a buff or debuff in a fight, and if at that time there's an interruption to the fight (eg fight ends into a cutscene (Rowinda case) or Chalassa goes into or out of fight. In most cases the situation corrects itself and the tooltip will clear from the screen after the following "conclusion" fight to whatever interrupted it. In the case of Rowinda, that tooltip got stuck, because the exit is not immediately followed by the rest of the fight. Typing this just FYI, clearly not a big problem.



Haven't touched the difficulty tweak yet. I'll probably get to that closer to the weekend.
jack1974 Oct 28, 2014

Loretexts for the new items work, also new loretexts for the twinStaff and twinShield, but the following rewards still have the old placeholders: twinSword, BleedingHEart and Will'o'wisp.

Ah and you had them in the file you sent? I probably forgot to copy it :)

The crash save might be because you loaded several times, it's a Renpy bug anyway, but is weird since store MUST exist :lol: so I think was just caused by the constant reloading, in any case not something to worry about.

Long ago there was the minor glitch of a sticky tooltip that remained on the screen. This actually happens everytime if you have your mouse over a buff or debuff in a fight, and if at that time there's an interruption to the fight (eg fight ends into a cutscene (Rowinda case) or Chalassa goes into or out of fight. In most cases the situation corrects itself and the tooltip will clear from the screen after the following "conclusion" fight to whatever interrupted it. In the case of Rowinda, that tooltip got stuck, because the exit is not immediately followed by the rest of the fight. Typing this just FYI, clearly not a big problem.

Yes I found that one too, I forgot about it but can be easily fixed, will do that.

Haven't touched the difficulty tweak yet. I'll probably get to that closer to the weekend.

Great, this Friday I'll probably launch the game in "soft release mode", which means I'll officially list it on my website even if I won't promote/spread the word too much yet :)
outist Oct 28, 2014
2 minor things (both are not really bugs):



1. It would be good to have a confirmation button with the total sum before "sell all items in this category"



2. In Season 1, chapter 3 (yes I am not really far yet) it is said that from now on we should sell all our pelts to the grand mogul, because they pay more. But there is no real price difference between the grand mogul and the normal tanner.



But so far good game. :)
fabulaparva Oct 28, 2014
Yes, the legend item descriptions were all in the same file :)



Stupid question, but are you seriously going to leave the nudist bug ... I mean feature, on? :P
Troyen Oct 29, 2014
Riley's Magic Chains and Shadow of Death both still use the same icon. Confusing because they show up near one another on the battle screen.
Troyen Oct 29, 2014
OK I've added the new build. In general, Easy is OK. Normal I think is OK too, because it's just above Easy. So I don't think I'll touch those levels. If people find the game too easy on normal they should just move to Hard/Nightmare :)

I'm looking for feedback in those two difficulties in particular if you try to tweak the fights with the new menu. The main goal is not much to change the difficulty since I think is fine, but shorten the battle times, while still providing a good challenge. Thanks :)

Can you add an option to try reducing defense instead of HP? That should have a similar effect (more party damage = faster fight) but with the bonus that not nearly as many attacks will be dodged or blocked. I hate using Jariel on Nightmare because either his skills have 20 delay or he misses with items half the time. (Yes, I have attacker, but 80 attack vs 230 defense?)



Plus, who doesn't like bigger numbers? My druid does twice the damage he was doing in act 1, but my ranger is doing about the same, despite significantly better gear and more skills/traits.
jack1974 Oct 29, 2014

1. It would be good to have a confirmation button with the total sum before "sell all items in this category"

Yes could add this, for now I'll put in the low-priority one :)

2. In Season 1, chapter 3 (yes I am not really far yet) it is said that from now on we should sell all our pelts to the grand mogul, because they pay more. But there is no real price difference between the grand mogul and the normal tanner.

I know it was already reported but the problem is that with the engine I can't have the same item at higher prices :oops:

But so far good game. :)

Thanks!
Yes, the legend item descriptions were all in the same file :)

Yes found it and added them already!

Stupid question, but are you seriously going to leave the nudist bug ... I mean feature, on? :P

Oops the one that happens if you replay an ending and then start a new game, right? I forgot about it!
Riley's Magic Chains and Shadow of Death both still use the same icon. Confusing because they show up near one another on the battle screen.

I know, artist promised will get all the remaining ones before next Friday :mrgreen:
Can you add an option to try reducing defense instead of HP?

Yes can do that. I think a bit of HP reduction could be good but maybe not as it is now, 30% HP reduction will screw up all fights :lol: will add different options then.
Troyen Oct 29, 2014
One of the beast-men spawn locations can spawn under the blue arrow. You can travel without the encounter or fight without travelling, but it requires a little bit of careful mouse work. Maybe move this away from the edge by a row or two?




http://i.imgur.com/4I3BGoE.png" style="max-width:100%">



The ending credits seem to go a second or two long, because they start looping and then get cut off.



Do you have a non-white background for the Squishy Spider achievement?
jack1974 Oct 29, 2014
Will change it so that the random fights won't pop-up near the borders :)

As for the credits probably because I've added more people I was forgetting about, will test it!
Pace675 Oct 29, 2014
New updated download link not working.
jack1974 Oct 29, 2014
Uh? when I click it works fine here (the download starts), what you mean by it's not working? if you download the file and doesn't start or says corrupted file means that the file wasn't downloaded properly. Well I'm about to do another update shortly in any case.
jack1974 Oct 29, 2014
Uploaded version 0.9.9 with some more minor fixes. The next one should be the one with the last missing skill icons 8)
Troyen Oct 29, 2014
The fabulous menu is not working so fabulous for me. Happens in every act.


I'm sorry, but an uncaught exception occurred.



While running game code:

File "game/script.rpy", line 3164, in script

ValueError: unsupported format character 'D' (0x44) at index 39



-- Full Traceback ------------------------------------------------------------



Full traceback:

File "game/script.rpy", line 3164, in script

File "/Users/troyen/Downloads/SOTW-0.9.9-all/renpy/ast.py", line 1405, in execute

choice = renpy.exports.menu(choices, self.set)

File "/Users/troyen/Downloads/SOTW-0.9.9-all/renpy/exports.py", line 692, in menu

if renpy.python.py_eval(condition) ]

File "/Users/troyen/Downloads/SOTW-0.9.9-all/renpy/exports.py", line 682, in substitute

return s % tag_quoting_dict

ValueError: unsupported format character 'D' (0x44) at index 39



Darwin-13.4.0-x86_64-i386-64bit

Ren'Py 6.18.3.761

Seasons Of The Wolf 0.9.9



It did work back on 0.9.8.1.