Yeah I suck at explaining the maths. Let's use an example.



If the damage ratio between 1h and 2h is 3:5, then we could have a 60 damage onehander and a 100 damage twohander of the same rarity, item level etc. Two of those onehanders are gonna do 60+15 damage. We want the offhand to deal 40 damage instead of 15, so the total is 100. 40 is two thirds (or 66.6666...%) of 60, so that's the damage modifier you want for the offhand instead of 25%. Up to you how you want to express it in the tooltip



Still this could just be the default behavior and we can use the trait slot for something else. The Chalassa trap is ever present



I think it's okay that dual wielding gets a small stat edge; it's extra work keeping two item slots in shape instead of one. Sweeping Strike vs. Cross Cut is still the decision I make on a ranger. Vaelis on the other hand could dual wield without problems, and hell he carries two axes around in dialogues anyway. Not sure if Krimm should be allowed to dual wield though, big sword is more rawr.

Okay so offhand damage would do 40% of normal damage.

As for Vaelis and Krimm, I can limit Krimm to use only 2h weapons (Heavy weapons including two handed sword/hammers etc). Seems to suit her character more indeed

No not 40% of normal damage, then you'd get 60+24 in that above example. If it did 40% extra (on top of the existing 25%) it would pretty much be 60+40 though.



(a shiny pelt to anyone who can explain it better)

Lol I don't understand then what should be the value? By default offhand does 25% of normal (primary hand) damage. So now what value that should become with the trait?

66.66666...%

Ah OK. Well will make 65%

okay, I surrender and continue the +crit birthday present discussion. Critical damage with 50% instead of 25% would result in a balancing drama (yayswords discussed this already) and the +crit chance trait would be still abominable. What about using this trait to change the crit dmg to 50%? Would result in quite an ugly hack (afaik currently a critical hit is a bool flag and the damage multiplier hardcoded) but an exciting birthday present for any class except druid. If this isn't an option you could always increase the present's bonus, say +10% crit and +5 attack value.

Yes I'd rather increase the bonus itself to avoid issues with other part of the game. Will do that now

and don't forget the normal crit trait - currently as underwhelming as the birthday present

What is the normal crit trait ?

I changed the PC exclusive trait during chargen to 10% and +5 attack, and the trait you can "buy" with skillpoints to 65% offhand.

"Critical Hit Bonus" - Increase character's base Critical Hit value by 10% (first trait in the second row)

Ah yes, need to fix that, got confused with dual wield

Though not sure how I should fix that, I mean which value...

Okay I made some tests and changed the uninspiring "Critical Hit" trait into...

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Deadly Hunter! wooot. the +1% critical / level is probably the less exciting thing about it, but +1 speed every 2 levels means you'll end up with +12-15 Speed (depending on the famous level cap I decide to use) which could be useful even if applied to Warriors. I thought to put +1 speed/level but could have been too overpowered so for now I settled with that value. More testing (especially towards end of game) will be required

I'm having a difficult time understanding why the +15% HP bonus on Toughness was shot down as overpowered, yet you keep making traits with scaling percentage bonuses left and right



Let's say that 5% fire resistance translates straight to 5% fire damage reduction, and there's no resistance cap. Now say there's a trait that increases fire resistance by 5%/level. At level 2, that's 10%, hardly very exciting. You'd be a fool to think it would make a noticeable difference against a hypothetical fire caster encounter at level 2. At level 20, it's immunity. At level 25, it's immunity even in a "fire environment".



All these flat amount per level traits don't work like that. +2 magic, while unlikely to be better than the diversity of another spell, is not an unexciting bonus at level 2 (it would probably help more against that fire spell than the resistance would, too). Meanwhile, +25 magic at level 25 doesn't translate to "your spells will oneshot everything" (well hopefully ). On average, that trait would translate to +10-20% magic for the mages I checked on various saves. From that perspective, you could make it +15% magic, but that would scale with nerdiness - the more restock roulette you play, the better it is - and I thought this was the reason we went for the flat amount per level idea. For the record, none of those mages were particularly pimped out.



So we're not getting +15% magic on the trait, we're getting 1/level. What you definitely wouldn't do then is make a +1%/level magic trait... still you did it with dual wield, and after I thought I'd explained why that's a bad idea, you're doing it again with crit. The crit trait is gonna scale like that hypothetical fire resistance trait; first it sucks and you wouldn't take it even with a free trait point, then at some level it's a balanced trait, and then it's overpowered.



I get you want to do something different from the birthday gift, but consider:

- It's far more likely than not (assuming equal probability for a player to take each gift) that that gift won't even be taken

- Even if it is, your twin won't have it, and the other 6 characters don't even have birthdays, so it's a rather small case of "diversity needed"

- Crit traits/gifts can make uninitiated mage players waste their points, so I'd rather they were gone altogether



I'm not as worried about this as I was about dual wield though, because I still find crits unexciting

As a sidenote: I was going for the crit trait earlier on as I had pretty high crit chance on my Hunter from equipment (I was investing on Speed, STR and SKill on it, anyway with no Ranger in the party at the time) and I noticed that the heavy bombs did more than 75HP dmg upon crit. (I don't have a screenshot, it was between 90 and 100, anyway) Haven't been playing with it since the traits were separated from the attributes (and I now have ranger/hunter).

The Heavy Bombs did more than 75 damage! That's... wrong, I think! I mean of course it is, obviously I know they're supposed to do...



Anyway I looked them up if they can crit, it should be for 93 damage. I'm not sure what you are trying to report. Have you seen something else crit but not cause more damage for it?

Not sure if I'm really reporting anything, just getting confused on the dmg done on crits. Also, if an equipment that's supposed to give static 75HP/50HP/25HP dmg can crit, then could, eg Rowinda's spells for static amounts also crit (eg syphon life)?



If crit chances can be raised high enough with traits, speed and equipment, and 93HP from heavy bombs is legit, I guess I'll start investing.



Bombs*) can be evaded, too, by the enemies. I guess that's intentional with the dodging abilities?



EDIT: *)Bombs and (slowing) potions

A crit is 25% bonus damage, and you can forget about rounding decimals up in this game ^^



Even spells can be dodged so yeah I'm sure it's intended.

Thanks for the clarification I gotta start paying a bit more attention to some of the crit dmg numbers I see.

what about "Fast Recovery", heals HP & SP by 20% after a battle? Or "Armourer", increases weapon damage by 2?