jack1974
Jan 01, 2013
Nah I don't want to overcomplicate it too much. The idea behind the yuri/yaoi was that I could reuse the existing sprites but with different storylines and ending CG of course. I'll see, I don't like much the idea of having a "friendship" ending only for the yuri. I have to say though that this game is really much much more family friendly, so it's not like Loren. Will think about it since in any case there's plenty of time
I was just a bit annoyed by this news, but don't worry will find a solution.
Franka
Jan 01, 2013
While it was very clashing in the original game to have different artists (especially for the wedding scenes where the old and new characters stood side by side), I vote for getting another artist, who doesn't have "religious" qualms.
Just don't deny me my yuri.
jack1974
Jan 01, 2013
Yes that's probably what I'll end up doing. This means the game will be delayed a bit probably. Anyway, there'll be plenty of yuri/yaoi content in my other games this year! (lol I was about to write "next year")
Fearsome
Jan 01, 2013
I vote we have a cute raising game that has a boy protagonist, a son to raise, and become an alchemist or a hero, or a merchant or discover his lost roots and become prince of the realm, and have male and female love interests for him...
Get our Yaoi kick in there, and have het as options and Yaoi as primary.
As it is, as I said, the Artist that is being a complete and utter twit should probably be listed so other indie gamers and creators can blacklist his slow, in multiple ways, self. >
Not okay. Not okay by any means. He's slow, and honestly, not good enough to be charging you as much as he is, especially as he seems to be giving it lowest priority.
jack1974
Jan 01, 2013
I don't know what to do honestly, some other people I spoke with said that I would have the rights to ask my money back, since he should have told me before. Or to make it public in a blog post, to at least get some press coverage. I am not sure though, since it involves religion and it's a delicate matter. Plus the press hates me, so I'm sure that if I was someone else, I would get press coverage and be acclaimed as the hero of gay movement, while in my case it would only backfire
(trust me I'm not negative, I KNOW how this would end if I made it public).
In general I think I'm a generous person and everyone who worked with me can confirm this, but as you can imagine this ruins a bit everything, and now I am seriously pissed and I find myself trying to find a solution and trying to justify what might happen to my fans...
fleetp
Jan 01, 2013
Jack,
I assume you have a written contract with the artist in question. If the artist violated the terms of the contract, depending on the wording of the contract, you might have the right to recover funds. I'm not an attorney, and I haven't seen the contract, and I don't know anything about contract law where you live. If the amount is significant, you probably should contact an attorney.
Very respectfully,
fleet
jack1974
Jan 01, 2013
No, the amount is not that big, so wouldn't be worth it !
To be completely honest, I hired him back in 2009 so at those times I hadn't even planned to do the yuri version of the FIRST game. At those times I was making only straight games, so I didn't even bother to ask him if he would be OK to draw art for some other kind of games.
I'll sleep over it, but probably will end up doing only straight version for this game even if I know some people are going to be disappointed, but it's a particular situation in this case. Obviously for all the new games there won't be issues like this anymore since I'll be very clear to the artists since day1
Fearsome
Jan 01, 2013
Yes, it is very much something he should have made apparent to you before. As it is, I rather think you would be seen as the good guy in this. The artist took the project knowing you did Yuri content in the prior game and in other games, and is now refusing to do ANY girl arts unless you tell him it will be friendship only? The hell is that about?
You, by dint of PAYING for them, are able to use it with the story however you want. He doesn't want to draw a kiss? Fine, some close hand holding, tickling, a date on the beach, so MANY ways around that, and have it fade to black to describe the kiss, etc, would be fantastic, but the fact this numbskull wants to dictate how it is used? Someone needs a boot to the head.
This shit makes me angry. Always has, always will.
If you made it public, I'd signal boost the hell out of it on Tumblr, and put out a call for any artist willing to take on the Yuri project. Possibly for small percentage of profits or for the full commission price at x number sold, etc instead of being paid up front. I was doing that for my convention a while back.
Whups, nevermind, he should still have stepped forward to say something.
Anywho, yes, not good on him, but if this game is het and we get a Yuri and Yaoi friendly SH3, I'm sure we'd all be fine.
jack1974
Jan 01, 2013
No no wait
As I posted above, I originally hired him to do the sequel of the game, that didn't had any yuri content. The Spirited Heart Girl's Love was out only in 2011, but I never told artist about the possibility of a yuri version for the sequel too.
I only told him just before Christmas, and while he seemed OK, now he changed his mind. But I didn't pay anything for the yuri version since he didn't even start drawing the female romances.
So while I don't understand his reasons, is a bit different from backing out of a project after 2 years - he told me after 2 weeks.
I might just replace all the art with another "more open" artist after all. But better I go to sleep now since is late
thesleepykitten
Jan 01, 2013
I'm sure we'll come to a solution. If we can get SH2 yuri and/or yaoi, awesome! If not, we'll probably do a new yuri/yaoi game as an alternative.
If you decide on a new artist, hopefully it wouldn't be 2-3 years for all the sprites... ^^;
Now that Heileen 3 yuri expansion is coming out in a few weeks, be resuming SH2 soon.
Franka
Jan 02, 2013
I only told him just before Christmas, and while he seemed OK, now he changed his mind. But I didn't pay anything for the yuri version since he didn't even start drawing the female romances.
Honestly, it sounds like he's just making an excuse so he won't have to do more work for you.
jack1974
Jan 02, 2013
OK I slept over it, but found no solution. Instead I just did a 20min walk in the snow and... idea!
"Fire" this artist and pick a new one to do the sprites. Not just because of this yuri thing, but also because he's too slow. I realized that even if he agreed, the game art wouldn't be finished before 1 more year... also, this is one of my most anticipated games so I want to pick a very good artist.
I had already an agreement with another girl to do the CGs, but I'd rather if the CGs are done by the same person since should be very high quality (I'm thinking to ask Flower Shop artist since she's one of the best artist I know).
However is not right that the other artist has to "lose the job", so I'll have her redo the final romance scenes of my almost forgotten Undead Lily game, so she has a lot of work anyway even if she won't be working on Spirited Heart 2 CGs.
I think this solution will make everyone (players and collaborators) happy
Fearsome
Jan 02, 2013
Make sure she understands that she will be fulfilling the already paid for commission and not to let her gouge you for more.
And the Flowershop art was gorgeous, yes, and the artist seems like she might be willing to do Yaoi AND Yuri, so :D Looking forward to this, so very very much now!
Glad it all worked out, Jack, I'd have been okay with just the Het now and a Yaoi and Yuri friendly SH3, but if the Flowershop artist can meet the deadline of the original artist? Fantastic!
(again, if you did a kickstarter type thing for this game, I would totally buy in! XD)
jack1974
Jan 02, 2013
Not sure the Flower Shop artist will be available though since she's pretty busy. But that is still a reference of the kind of quality I'd like. I don't want to make hurried decisions for this game, I want it to have the best artist I can find (that is willing to do yuri/yaoi of course!).
jack1974
Jan 02, 2013
WOOT excellent news. The Flower Shop artist said she has no problem with yuri/yaoi!!
So, she will redo all the art of the game. Will take a while, and so the game will be delayed, but at least she's a very reliable person so I'm very relieved when she said yes
josipa24
Jan 02, 2013
WOOT excellent news. The Flower Shop artist said she has no problem with yuri/yaoi!!
So, she will redo all the art of the game. Will take a while, and so the game will be delayed, but at least she's a very reliable person so I'm very relieved when she said yes
Woohoo awesome! Great news, indeed
. And no matter how long it takes, I'm gonna be standing in line to buy it when it's done
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thesleepykitten
Jan 02, 2013
Phew, glad that was all sorted.
Of course it means there will be more delays, but the art will be amazing/beautiful, and if my pacing goes well, my writing will be all ready to go once the coding/scripting starts.
(And yes, that's a lot of art to redo. ._. And she has 8-9 other projects...)
jack1974
Jan 02, 2013
We talked and very likely are going to release the game through several updates. Like first the GxB (since it's the one where there's more writing/design already), then the yuri, then BxG and yaoi. Then add 6 new boys and girls. Will probably take a bit of time but better than wait 2-3 years for a new game, right?
Sylrissa
Jan 02, 2013
We talked and very likely are going to release the game through several updates. Like first the GxB (since it's the one where there's more writing/design already), then the yuri, then BxG and yaoi. Then add 6 new boys and girls. Will probably take a bit of time but better than wait 2-3 years for a new game, right?
Good idea, looking forward to picking them up in the future.
Fearsome
Jan 03, 2013
Oh god, it's Christmas!
<3 THANK YOU JACK! Thank you artist! Thank you Sleepy Kitten!
*rolls around in this news like the catnip it is*
Yessssss oh god yes.
I love expansions, I know some gamers frown on them, but it lets me re-visit the game every few months for a few intense play weeks, then when ADHD hits, I know I can faff off without finishing everything right now, as I will finish it off when I have my next big burst of playing at each expansion.
It makes a game last for years instead of months, too. <3
Oh god, yessss... also, uhm, can I beg most humbly that we get something like Cinders? Like a Gallery that we can track our endings and re-visit the absolutely amazing and gorgeous arts?
