Don't worry both Karen and Loren are available to romance Elenor. What made you think they wouldn't?

Don't worry both Karen and Loren are available to romance Elenor. What made you think they wouldn't?

I was talking about her being a party member. I read something in the forum that Loren wasn't going to be a party member this time around. She still has a part to play in the story but she wont be a party member this time. I was wondering if the same applied to Karen as well. I'm just really hoping she isn't just a npc this time.

The original plot idea is being rewritten a bit, but still not sure about Loren. For Karen I think maybe she will take part in some battles but for plot reasons she won't be active party member (is a bit obvious if you check her "camp talk pose", she is in the Citadel all the time). There are more new female characters though, like Selith, Lydia, etc.

I'm assuming that she won't be the only returning character like that. If thats the case how does camp talk work then? If people aren't currently traveling with you I guess the only way would be to travel to their location. But is it camp talk if you're not in camp? Well enough semantics. I for one will be keeping the Elenor/Karen relationship alive. Kelenor if you will or Karnor wait no, thats no good

Wait.

*looks around*

A sequel?

When did this happen??? I feel like Loren just came out lol. Oh Lord, how much has University eaten up my life??? D:

A quick update: for personal reasons, Aleema had to resign from writing the game. She will still help in the design/plot/brainstorm and do some extra coding, but to make sure the game COULD be out next year we had to take this decision.

The new writer is Michael aka Mr. Envy8, who wrote Roommates and I think showed that can write good romances both straight and homosexual (lol and that is a requisite to write Loren sequels). Plus he's an avid RPG player, so I think was a good choice

A quick update: for personal reasons, Aleema had to resign from writing the game. She will still help in the design/plot/brainstorm and do some extra coding, but to make sure the game COULD be out next year we had to take this decision.

The new writer is Michael aka Mr. Envy8, who wrote Roommates and I think showed that can write good romances both straight and homosexual (lol and that is a requisite to write Loren sequels). Plus he's an avid RPG player, so I think was a good choice

Shame to hear that. I hope she can come back and help some other time then. While a good romance writer is good and all, I do worry about the overall story. I don't know much about Roommates, but the shift from what I assume is a campus romance to a large medieval magic war era is pretty huge. The details incorperated in writing about a world that doesn't really have a basis in real life is very hard. In some cases, being a RPG fan might work against a writer here, since it can draw from too many references about these large scale places.



But it can also be a good thing. Ask if he's ever played a Tales of game before. Those RPGs always focus on the character interacting and having a large scale plot. Sadly no choosing romances, but the subtle inbetween parts with certain pairings are usually always well-made.

I do hope everything is well with you Aleema. No, I'm not going to pry



As for the new writer, I felt Mr. Envy8 did a fine job with Roommates, and I think he is up to the task True, the writing style will be different, but that is the nature of changes.

I just accepted last night, but I'm going to be spending the next couple weeks just playing routes, reading the wiki, and immersing myself in the lore.



I definitely want to do right by Loren and I'm excited to be working on it!

While of course I'm the first to be sad that Aleema can't work on this anymore (by the way she's fine, is not like she is sick or anything!), I am also quite confident on Mr E. skills and I think was the best choice for me to finish this game. Of course the writing style will be different, but Mr E. is a AD&D Master! so I think he should be fine in crafting fantasy worlds/stories.

While I'm sad to hear that Aleema will not be returning as the main writer (hope your personal stuff works out!), I am very optimistic about MrEnvy8 as the new writer. It'll be a pretty big jump, but I loved his work on Roommates...he writes great sass

I need to antagonize the new writer too, so I'll be quick to say you suck without having read a word you've written except that post just now. Actually, I am not sure you can say "I just accepted last night"; you can say "I just accepted", if you indeed very recently accepted, and the same story for last night ("I accepted last night"). But saying you just accepted last night either means you want to waste words to needlessly emphasize that last night is indeed recent, or you mean "just" as in "without much thought", as in a careless agreement. In the latter case, you will come to regret it and pull an "Oh shit I have to leave, forgot I left a salad in the oven" quit on us. So which is it? Are you incompetent or reckless? Huh???



If you're into AD&D, does that mean I can use endless Baldur's Gate examples in future reprimands feedback?

Lol when I first read the post thought you were serious and wondered "WTF?" then I read your signature and remembered you were the one to say that Jul's butt is flat, so I'm assuming that everything you post is a joke!

Of course I was joking, I just can't resist nitpicking a writer



But if you assume everything I post is a joke, especially that part about Jul, then I don't know what to say. That was genuine feedback. As in, come to my town and I'll say it to your face, and then I'll take you to my gym and show you some quality booty. In fact, you better start taking me seriously on this point, or I'll take a photo of my own behind and repost it until you ban me.



Okay, not that far, but it is genuine feedback.

I think we should make a poll: Is Jul's butt flat? jokes apart, I still think she was fine, maybe not brazilian butt but not that bad either

It is a bad angle on Jul, but my verdict stays the same every time I see it.



Looking through some footage, Elenor is even worse than Jul. Loren is borderline acceptable, but the fanservice in other regards rarely settles for borderline acceptable.



Anyway, I don't believe the thread was supposed to be about this

I wish to inquire: Was Mr. Envy8 involved in the creation of Loren the Amazon Princess in any way? I have not followed the forum of the past game, so I wouldn't know. Furthermore, in addition to the story did Aleema also write the dialogues between characters and the narrative throughout the game. I have not played the game Roommates, so I am not familiar with Mr. Envy8s work or its quality.



I'm asking because after the change of the writer the spirit/nature of the things we see and read might be different from before, if the new writer does not know the characters or us that well. I'm refering to how things are relaid to us and to what details are brought up. We (the audience) yearn certain elements, which may not be in the upcoming sequel. But the game might also include new things that we welcome.



I guess the core worry I'm struggling with is: After the change of writer, what else is going to change?



I am not trying to discredit Mr. Envy8 in any way. I wish him strength, passion and patience in his quest to deliever us a wonderful story, which we would remember with warm hearts. And I wish Aleema best with her own business.

He is currently checking out Loren, getting familiar with all the stuff, and so on. However, I was behind Loren, so was Anima (the coder, who also does gameplay suggestions). And Aleema isn't like disappeared from Earth, she said will gladly offer input to the writer and/or brainstorm ideas.

So in practice the only thing that will change is the writing, since luckily I already have all the art done

And as I said already about the writing, while of course the style will be different, I really have no doubts about the quality. For Roommates, I never got so many praises on writing for a dating sim like... ever! Roommates is out (and not even officially, just in beta!) only since 15 days and could be already considered a success (I'm always cautious to say such things because I've seen many things in my indie career).



Besides Mr Envy was supposed to write Undead Lily which was another RPG, so is not like I wasn't already planning to have him write a RPG. He will just write another one



Summary: yes is going to be different. Will there also be changes on gameplay, on battles, there might be recipes/crafting, etc etc. But you can stay sure that the core thing of the first game: the romances, the characters, and so on are in good hands. The story will also be more original (not Aleema's fault, she wrote based on my plot) and I invested much more resources on it. So you can stay sure that we'll do our best to make a good sequel

I quite enjoyed the first loren so its abit disappointing to see that it will be written by someone else. But will see how things go, i havent played or tried roommates so will see what happens as the development of loren 2 progresses. ( i also am not discrediting the new writer in the slightest, its just hard to really get into a game these days, like i have for Loren and Heileen 3.)



The art is looking good so far.. and i pray the music will be as excellent as the orginal one's was.



Mr Envy i have high expectations of you!

Add me to the list of fanboys who like the writing of MrEnvy8 in Roommates.



It won't be easy to take over Loren, with all the lore already developed and the player expectations and everything, but MrEnvy8 has shown a lot of qualities. His funny scenes are among the loudest LOLs I uttered, and the romances are just sweet. Some parts may be new for him, but what would be life without a bit of challenge? He will manage, against all difficulties.



Anyway, it seems like Undead Lily will be delayed. Or will a new writer take over Lily?