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jack1974

The tutorial said that mercenaries houses offer more exp, but I need ever increasing amounts of gold for the story and supposedly they don't offer good rewards. (I haven't tried one yet.)

Yes, but you can get the gold easily from the merchants. So in theory you could do 1 robbery on each one, and get money (merchants), gems (nobles) and good exp (mercenaries).

I'm going to do the changes you suggested (in particular boss fights), but if you play the mercenaries I think you'll see that the EXP goes up much faster (they're also harder in geneeral).
Troyen
Thought I'd run a military house to see how they compare. This is the old version without the exp tweaks.



Military House (Encounter Level 7-9): 674 xp, 182 gold, gems worth 200 gp

54 - Random Encounter: Watch Dog x3, Veteran Mercenary

131 - Random Encounter: Veteran Mercenary, Mercenary x2, Tamed Bear

27 - Snake's Trap: Watch Dog x5

155 - Snake's Trap II: Giant Snake x3, Acid Snake

155 - Boss Mercenary: The Snake, Mercenary x2, Veteran Mercenary, Ex Mercenary

152 - Boss Mercenary: The Hound, Mercenary x2, Veteran Mercenary, Ex Mercenary



So that was a bit better in terms of leveling. Since these mobs are all Mercenary, I don't think they'd be too affected by the Guard tweaks, but maybe there's a little rebalancing to be done. Then again, it is normal, and you still have to beat all these guys to get the exp reward, so might be okay?



I'll have to try the new values tomorrow.



Tharjalla.rpy 484:

she and her sisters were up to.



rooms.rpy 2283:

A third grating opens. <- uh, this is the second wave of enemies. (I got the dogs first.) Maybe a scripting mistake?



Also, I don't know what "30% ignore taunt" means as an enemy ability.
jack1974
OK worse case it's easy to revert back to old values. But I remember another user during testing that said the XP was a bit too low, and he was playing the mercenaries.

At the very least I'm going to leave the Boss fights extra XP, but even the guards might be OK.

I'll check the typos now , thanks :)



30% ignore taunts actually means ignore the aggression value. Normally enemies attack the sister with higher "aggro" (and Kira's taunt increases it a lot) but the right word is indeed Aggro, not taunt :mrgreen:
Troyen
Well, I figured out the "ignore taunt" part, I just didn't understand the 30%. Do they ignore...30% of the value? Not sure how that skill would work. (Maybe it's best to leave off the "30%" part from the description?)
jack1974
30% of the times, so 1 times out of 3 won't attack the sister with the higher aggro. I thought was clear? otherwise I can leave the 30% out :)
Troyen
Exp log with the new values. Note I am a bit overleveled for the nobles, I'm starting at Level 9 5554/5700, so I don't know if there are diminishing returns on exp granted.



Noble House #1 (6-7 Encounter Level): 421 xp, 244 gold, 1000 gp in gems

72 - Guarded Entrance: Light Guard, Medium Guard, Heavy Guard, Watch Dog

57 - Random Encounter: Elite Guard x2, Retired Mage, Watch Dog

74 - Plant Trap: Giant Plant, Corrosive Plant x2 (tipped me to Level 10)

31 - Random Encounter: Veteran Guard, Watch Dog x2

145 - Snake Trap: Giant Snake x3, Acid Snake

42 - Boss Fight: Headless Man x4



Noble House #2 (7-8 Encounter Level): 496 xp, 173 gold, 1950 gp in gems

83 - Guarded Entrance: Light Guard x2, Medium Guard, Heavy Guard, Watch Dog

62 - Random Encounter: Elite Guard x2, Retired Mage, Watch Dog

65 - Random Encounter: Elite Guard x2, Retired Mage, Watch Dog

97 - Guarded Vault: Light Guard, Medium Guard x2, Heavy Guard, Watch Dog

72 - Random Encounter: Elite Guard x3, Retired Mage, Watch Dog

72 - Random Encounter: Elite Guard x3, Retired Mage, Watch Dog

45 - Boss Fight: Headless Man x4



Ended at 6475/6700. So roughly 12.5 encounters a level instead of the 17 from before. I didn't get too many with the modified mobs though, but I'm also getting up there in levels and unlocking level 10+ encounter houses (which likely won't compare to the previous set). But I don't think the exp changes are too bad.



I'll have to try a modified Military House tomorrow.
jack1974
Thanks for the "report". No there are no bonus/malus if you're higher/lower levels, the XP obtained it's always the same, so those stats are very useful. I think I'll keep the changes then :)
Troyen
rooms.rpy 2671:



You're worthy of this reward.



rooms.rpy 2864:

We should deliver (no y)... (also, the mad alchemist boss fight rewarded very little exp. Picked the dog.)



rooms.rpy 2866:

...coming for him anyway. He said he'd killed others who tried to stop him. (since you use him, 'they' is unnecessarily ambiguous.)



2867: the last 'him' is unnecessary. Also, that's four "him"s in four sentences which is too many.



tharjalla.rpy 816:

...was going on than a simple invite to a party.



tharjalla.rpy 868:

It is a pleasure... (unless the elf is supposed to have stilted English.) (Also, the background does not look like a colorful elven ship to me. ;) )



tharjalla.rpy 882:

a noble second. (I think? Could be a stylistic choice.)



tharjalla.rpy 944:

"might" sounds better than "may", imo



melvin.rpy 2378:

She knew the reasons



mainStory.rpy 619:

Twenty-five (need a hyphen).
Troyen
encounters.rpy 1857

...to be natural! (delete 'on')



Also, I managed to fight Dagger in his pit trap and then later stumble into his room. I thought I left him tied up naked downstairs. :P



rooms.rpy 3025

Priests...



Bug?


If I try to appeal to the Priest of Irijo's religion, he gets mad and slaps Joanne saying "let's see how well you do without your magic!" Except I can totally use my magic on the boss fight.



Also, a crash when trying to view the sexy Adriana MILF in the gallery after I unlocked it:


[code]
I'm sorry, but an uncaught exception occurred.

While running game code:
File "renpy/common/00start.rpy", line 157, in script
jump expression _in_replay
ScriptError: could not find label ''.

-- Full Traceback ------------------------------------------------------------

Full traceback:
File "renpy/common/00start.rpy", line 157, in script
jump expression _in_replay
File "/Users/troyen/Library/Application Support/Steam/SteamApps/common/Queen Of Thieves/renpy/ast.py", line 1527, in execute
rv = renpy.game.script.lookup(target)
File "/Users/troyen/Library/Application Support/Steam/SteamApps/common/Queen Of Thieves/renpy/script.py", line 857, in lookup
raise ScriptError("could not find label '%s'." % str(original))
ScriptError: could not find label ''.

Darwin-13.4.0-x86_64-i386-64bit
Ren'Py 6.99.12.2.2029
Queen Of Thieves 1.0.2
[/code]

jack1974
Thanks. For Irijo, he deals a blog that reduces Joanne's SP, that's why he says that :)

For the crash,I found it too, will fix it! In practice all the new achievement I added for Steam would crash if clicked (they're not supposed to be clickable since there's no related scene/CG!).

Thanks
jack1974
Haha good thing that I increased the XP before the Steam release. The only negative aspect people are finding about the game is the amount of "grinding" :mrgreen:

I think they are judging badly though, if you go in the Mercenary area, you level up rather fast. Also if you pick/stumble in the right boss fight.

For sure though this will be my first and last game with "randomized missions". Even if in the Dingirra game there will be random ones, they'll be completely optional, and you'll only need to do the main plot missions.
Franka
Playing in VN mode, there were two places where I still got XP and leveled. The first was in Catacombs lv2 after answering the second riddle, the second one is when you appeal to Yenna's feelings during the 25K robbery mission.
Franka
Don't you hate it when that happens?



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jack1974
Haha what you mean? you don't like those two characters? :lol:
Troyen
Four questions about the steam release:



1. I thought romances provided a buff? I romanced Tharjalla and Melvin but haven't seen anything about buffs.

2. Why am I unable to replay the Arianna scene? Or at least see the bg image for it?

3. When are the achievements on steam going to be unlocked? I have three in my gallery but none on steam. If I'm stuck playing on steam, at least it'd be nice to show off achievements.

4. Speaking of steam, when are you going to update the non-steam version with the exp changes and bug fixes?
jack1974
1. copy-pasting from game code because I'm lazy (well because I spent the morning coding UL stuff so I'm tired):

Therjalla: "You can now buy all items at the Temple with a permanent discount of 50%!"

Melvin: "All the information about the new targets discovered in the robbery screen are instantly revealed!"

2. Which scene do you mean ? there are several (interrogation, fighting against the sisters, etc)

3. In the gallery there's a button called "Synch Achievement", maybe try that, it should work :)

4. I was planning to do it next week just in case. Updating on Steam means running a patch = 5s = done. Updating on my site means rebuilding the game for 3 different OSes, codesign all the 3 exes, test, upload in dropbox, grab links from dropbox to the 2 servers :lol: that's why I prefer to update on my site when I'm 100% certain I won't need to repeat this process just for 3 lines of code changed :oops:
jack1974
Also on Steam the game is "exposed" to more people so I can get some unexpected feedback, like an user who didn't understand that you could do the Nobles/Mercenaries missions anytime (he thought they were "greyed out" and unavailable) :lol:

So I'm thinking to add some better tutorial explanation or something to fix this.
Troyen
1. copy-pasting from game code because I'm lazy (well because I spent the morning coding UL stuff so I'm tired):

Therjalla: "You can now buy all items at the Temple with a permanent discount of 50%!"

Melvin: "All the information about the new targets discovered in the robbery screen are instantly revealed!"

I got neither of these. Nor am I actually receiving the buffs. Is there another scene after the CG scene? Haven't found either character to talk to them.



2. Which scene do you mean ? there are several (interrogation, fighting against the sisters, etc)

The sexy milf one. I can view the scenes for all the romance ones, but not this one.



3. In the gallery there's a button called "Synch Achievement", maybe try that, it should work :)

Tried this, but the Confirm button is all greyed out. Doesn't seem to be doing anything.
jack1974
I have added a messagebox that will show after 15 days in the robbery screen, is the English OK? I wrote:
[code]show screen MsgBox(msg="Remember that you can explore also the Nobles and Mercenaries areas by clicking on the buttons on top-right, and then choosing Explore to reveal new targets. Mercenaries are particularly good to make XP fast!",msgtitle="Different Targets")[/code]
jack1974
Haha got your post while was doing mine. Yes after the romance CG, the characters show up again once more. It happens automatically after some days, usually when you're back from a robbery.



I will link that achievement to displaying Arianna sexy MILF image :wink:



Regarding the Synch, you obviously need to use it from the Steam version (since the game needs to be "connected" to Steam to synch the achievements). I just tried here and works :)