No no, she isn't having second thoughts, but it still remains a fact that there are a lot of romances. Maybe "too many" is not the right word, but more like the game is going to be MUCH bigger than the first (at least in the romance interest field).
Yes I agree that from straight male perspective the one you mention are the most interesting I think Elenor / Jul might be my favorite ever in the sequel, but time will tell.
P_TigrasJan 13, 2013
No no, she isn't having second thoughts, but it still remains a fact that there are a lot of romances. Maybe "too many" is not the right word, but more like the game is going to be MUCH bigger than the first (at least in the romance interest field).
Yes I agree that from straight male perspective the one you mention are the most interesting I think Elenor / Jul might be my favorite ever in the sequel, but time will tell.
In the original story Jul came across as one of the two most girly characters of the game, but where Myrth kind of came across as the stereotype that modern day detractors of girly behavior like to disparage, Jul was girly in a very fun, delightfully wicked way. Jul is like a large box of dark chocolate cherry cordials. She's sinfully delicious; you know she's bad for you, but you want her any way. Chambara has some of that, but she's been a hunted loner for too long to have Jul's relaxed confidence. I'll no doubt play out the Jul romance as Elenor as well as Saren, to see the differences, just as I did for both Loren and Chambara in the original.
SpectralTimeJan 13, 2013
I'm actually having trouble buying Jul as a love interest. She made an effective and evil villain, but I didn't really drink the kool-aid on
her sudden growth of sympathetic qualities in the Zeal Ending of the expansion. Even if I DID, it seems to pretty soundly preclude her dating either protagonist.
I don't actually know much about any of the newer characters, but, as the only returning character who wasn't in the original party, I'm just not feeling Jul getting along with everyone. Especially... you know, Karen, Mesphit, all the other party members whose minds she fiddled with who weren't able to just shrug it off due to their orientation. Where's the decent qualities that made us see why she might turn over a new leaf at all? Remember, we AREN'T restricted to Loren and company's viewpoint throughout the story, and the cut-aways to her and the rest of Fost's wrecking crew don't really paint her in a much better light.
P_TigrasJan 13, 2013
The Zeal ending is the one ending I haven't yet tried. I've played all the sacrifice endings as well as the Sauzer ending. In the sacrifice endings, Jul
takes advantage of the chaos to set up shop as Fost's successor.
Whether or not she succeeds is left to either the imagination or a sequel. In the Sauzer ending she
basically starts thinking about doing the exact same thing until Sauzer appears, and then she's willing to do whatever it takes to convince him to let her stay/live.
She kind of reminds me of a cat, all soft and cuddly towards anyone more dangerous than she is, but an absolute terror to weaker creatures which she cheerfully torments. Oh, and I fully expect many of the returning characters to have issues with her, that's what makes her such an interesting addition to the party. It would be dull if everybody got along with everyone else.
jack1974Jan 13, 2013
You can be sure that having her in the party will cause total havoc to say the least
kokoisJan 18, 2013
So far I've played through these romances:
Elenor/Rei - I like how this is kind of hinted at a bit in the main story - like the way you briefly see Rei for a bit, and then his line about how he noticed Elenor! The way he teaches her the stuff about her culture is sweet. He totally should have told her what the last thing meant though. LOl.
Elenor/Chambara - Not as romantic as some of the others, but I think it makes sense for her. But yeah, I wasn't even sure whether or not to trust her through some of her scenes.
Elenor/Amukiki - I was a little jealous of him at first on Elenor's behalf, because of their competition. But I like how there's a lot more to him under the surface when you get to know him.
Elenor/Loren - I really like the development of trust and respect between them.
Elenor/Karen - I totally laughed out loud when Karen started putting the moves on.
Saren/Draco - My favorite. I full out aww'd at most of their cutscenes, Draco is so sweet. I'm so attached to him and I don't want to cheat on him, that's why I haven't done all of the Saren romances the way I did almost all of Elenor's, lol.
I didn't have the patience to play through all of the romances starting from a new game every time, but in some ways I wish I had - I love how little extra scenes change depending on who you're romancing. All in all, a lot of fun and development in these romances - I enjoyed them a lot!
vexingauraJan 18, 2013
Favourite character was easily Loren by a long way and I love her to bits and she made a lot of impact for me as I am not sure if other posters are aware but sexism was a big issue in the gaming industry last year. The argument is there are barely any strong female characters in games and I think Loren is a very strong character as she does what she can and truly has the most development of all the characters. I also loved how she had moments of doubt as her world view changed and wasn’t afraid to rely on others when she needed help it allowed the players of the game to interact with her more easily as a character. If I had more power in the gaming industry I would actually suggest Loren as a text book example of how a strong female lead should be.
In my games I always try to put strong female characters (of course NOT all of them, otherwise would be a bit unrealistic). Fun thing is that because of the risquè art the game was labeled as sexist by some people (who of course didn't even play it for 30 seconds and only judged from screenshots).
Also on a final note I hope you don't over extent yourselves with the 24 planned romances in the sequel, I am not doubting your capabilities of course its just it will be damn hard having to do that many to the same level of quality of the romances in this game. Anyway thank you so much for the game and keep up the superb work.
Well remember that 24 includes both parts, the sequel will be divided into two parts first one will have 16, the second 8. Also for bisex romances many scenes can be reused luckily!
Wow what a fast response as I said it is so nice to see a developer so dedicated to communicating with fans and taking in feedback its very refreshing from the alienation of fans that big publishers have been doing recently. I think the only characters who could possibly be argued as risqué is probably are Amukiki and the dwarfs as I feel Loren, Saren, Elenor and Mesphit all had outfits suiting their setting so I would argue it would be stupid not to have them wearing clothing that wasn't in character. Amukiki is debatable though as you can argue he should be clad in armour being a warrior of the empire but at the same time is still a barbarian so he isn't so simple the dwarfs are harder to argue for as a warrior should be clad in armour and a thief with more subtle clothing? I personally had nothing wrong with them myself I am just trying to argue from their point of view. However people seem to forget that it isn't what a woman wears that makes her strong its how she reacts to the scenario she is placed in and Loren reacts very well and in character indeed its just sad that because she exposes a little flesh that suits her character people complain its quite absurd really. If I could draw I would make a comedy pic on respectable female characters where the setting would be eskimos in a polluted environment so they would need to wear masks. I think that would be a perfect setting for any game with a romance focus where you don’t even know if you are talking to a male or a female! Aside from my obscene example Loren is definitely how female characters should be portrayed not how Square Enix and Edios think that Lara being pretty much r**** is a good example of growth of female characters I think I am not the only one who prefers the old Lara.
Regarding the amount of romances if you manage to make them as high quality as the ones in Loren as while in my earlier post I said I dislike Draco and Mesphit in truth they their romances are much better than other games and series with romance in it in my opinion anyway. They were of all good quality so basically just add more of the same as they were really good much better than other games of the same kind have to offer.
pinkbubblegumJan 22, 2013
I didn't have the patience to play through all of the romances starting from a new game every time, but in some ways I wish I had - I love how little extra scenes change depending on who you're romancing.
Ah, goodness. I know what you mean!
The thought of doing a repeat playthrough to see the other romance paths is really intimidating. But I'm happy that the final love interest doesn't get "locked" until near the end of the game, so you can just reload from that point on to see the other ending xD;
I've only done one playthrough so far, and in that playthrough I aimed for Mesphit while... uhm... romancing Amukiki and Rei on the sides. The dialogues during the Mesphit-Rei jealousy/conflict scene was pretty intense though ;;
When Rei gets chocked by demon!Mesphit and you protect Mesphit, Rei's dailogue at that part was just really painful to read. I felt really guilty for siding with Mesphit because of it, to be perfectly honest.
Planning to reload from the final romance choice, then pick Amukiki this time. Then I guess replay to see Rei's romance [well, not really replaying since I saved during the jealousy scene hahaha. I'm just really lazy to replay orz]
I WILL replay though since I want to play as Saren and see the male romances too! Melting Loren's ice queen heart sounds really... cute.
Edit: I've finally seen the endings of Amukiki and Rei and I'm pretty conflicted with whom to say was the "best love interest" for me. I liked Mesphit's characterization. His evolution as a character (with how he dealt with Elenor and his problems) was nicely done. That "Please don't let me (get away)" line was what really got me to like him haha. Without a doubt, the LI I liked the most as a person was Mesphit xD
Then I got to play Rei's path completely and his romance scenes were, for me, the best written. I'll admit though, I'm a huge sucker for romance scenes where the guy has to visibly restrain his feelings from the PC. The other guys had scenes where there was light skinship of this nature (an accidental touch, a passing glance of interest, etc. that betrayed what they felt despite not acting on their impulse) but it felt like Rei also had this, and more xD
The scene where he does that "Elven ceremony" (sneaky Rei) then he falls on you really got my heart pacing because of the romantic tension, haha.
I guess what I'm trying to say is: while the other guys also had moments of visible tension about their feelings towards the PC, the focus on Amukiki and Mesphit's paths were more on what haunted them as characters.
Amukiki's lack of a tribe, Mesphit's problems with controlling his demonic bloodlust & the lack of acceptance for the Dark Elves from everyone were the pivotal points to which your PC would relate to.
I mean, yeah. Rei also had his own problems but it was more of a sprinkling in his path than the main focus, so there was more focus on normal interactions with him. It also felt like his love scene was more... descriptive xD
biscuitJan 23, 2013
Yeah... that was why I liked Amukiki. I always imagined my Joking!Elenor as using humor to cover up loneliness, so both Rei and Amukiki's paths were quite appealing. (But I didn't have the heart to choose Rei yet... alas, another playthrough!)
Pale_EnchantressJan 26, 2013
I don't find the poll to be able to represent really what I feel. I have to say that with one Elanor and one Saren play-through I don't view each romance with the same character as equal in quality.
With Saren, Amukiki hands down is my favorite. While Amukiki wasn't drastically different with Elanor, there were some definite subtleties that were present with Saren that Elanor just didn't have. Draco is such an awesome romance too. I also Like Mesphit more on Saren than Elanor but both my like for Mesphit and the difference I feel are less that Saren + Amukiki. Did not like Myrth.
Also I liked Loren a lot with Elanor but not with Saren. I really dislike Loren + Saren but found her and Elanor to be a very good romance (my fave for Elanor). Rei and Karen are both great romances and the Karen romance really made me feel sacrificing the main character as a good choice at the end. Most of the others Karen was ready to die and the protagonist had to much to live for with their partner. In all of them I wondered why Aplimesho wasn't the one to sacrifice himself. Without dark arts he has limited time left to live and he wants to die to be reunited with his daughter (the only family he seems to have had). I had thought that he would be the one to do it until I saw the end.
Chembara is a fun romance either way, I have no preference. She is my favorite female to romance for Saren.
Edit: After mentally arranging the romances in my head I realize in general I liked the same sex pairings better. Saren+Amukiki is my fave of them all. I really liked the Rei romance so it ranks as the highest heterosexual pairing but it's still 4th or 5th place for me.
jack1974Jan 27, 2013
Yeah probably I should have made two separate polls depending on which character you play. But doing that I would reset to zero all votes, so... for this time will keep it as it is
I liked both Loren romances, but I agree that many same-sex are really good, like Saren-Draco and Elenor-Karen (one of my favorites). I have also a weak spot for Chambara...as long as she is in play, I like the romances
KaticflisJan 30, 2013
So. As a straight female who does enjoy some man/man erotica now and again, Id like to go over what I thought about the relationships in Loren.
First Id like to say my favorite character was Apolimesho. :X
Ela/Saren x Amukiki -- I enjoyed the plot and found Amuk's manly, possessive behavior to lead to what was, by far, the sexiest romance in the game for me, especially since Ela/Saren challenged him. This one Ill actually go back and reread cause it kinda fuels some fun fantasies for me. XD
Ela/Saren x Chambra - Im a big fan of Chambra as a character though Im a little iffy on the relationship aspect(I found Chambra harder to like as the plotline went on ... normally its the reverse). Overall I preferred Ela/Chambra over Saren/Chambra due to the endings.
Saren x Myrth - I like Myrth's design visually(hot redhead, can't go wrong), but the character herself was annoying to me. In general I dont like characters that 'dress' skanky but act like virgins. Its too conflicting for me to swallow, just like the "Mary Sue was so achingly beautiful everyone stared at her, but she had no idea of her own beauty!!" thing you see A LOT in literature. I guess I can be picky with female representation in writing but I prefer characters that feel honest(like Chambra, Karen and Loren).
Loren (BxG, GxG) - Really loved the art for these romances. I found the path from slave to lover overall very charming. One of my favorites.
Draco (BxB) - I actually didnt bother with the Draco romance ... As a personal preference, I just dont like the character much.
Karen (GxG) - I really enjoyed Karen's character but for the romance I wish she had perhaps a few more reservations after moving on from the man she threw away her kingdom and daughter to be with. Otherwise I really liked this romance.
Rei (GxB) - This turned out very sweet when I thought it'd be sexy. On one level, I felt like I wanted things to be 'naughty' with Rei since he was such a sleaze, but I guess most girls dream of turning the bad boy into a sweet lover. The whole romance turned out so cute and heartwarming that I enjoyed it thoroughly despite my initial expectations.
Mesphit (GxB,BxB) - Found this to be one of the more interesting relationships due to all of Mesphit's issues. I see a lot of potential for things to get primal here should this plotline be continued in the sequel... A little bit of danger can be really sexy afterall!
I enjoyed replaying the game to view all these relationships and Loren has made me a committed fan of winter wolves. Cant wait for the sequel. :D
blitzen13Feb 01, 2013
My thoughts as a bi female:
I have played through several times now (the expansion is amazing, btw, almost like having a whole new game!), and I have explored several different romance options, but my two standout favourites are:
Elenor & Karin: I just adore Karin, quite frankly. She is so wounded and at the same time so strong, I find her irresistible. Her avatar is absolutely beautiful, and the cut scene once Elenor makes her choice is really lovely. I honestly found it very difficult to choose any other path for Elenor!
Sarin & Draco: I had no particular bias going in as to whether Sarin would end up with a boy or a girl, but I found the interactions between these two characters both sweet and funny. They are really adorable together!
I have tried other combinations--I liked Elenor/Rei, and I went pretty far with Saren/Myrth, but I didn't get the same emotional kick out of it. Mesphit was an interesting option, but I knew it wouldn't end well so I avoided it. Amukiki held no interest for me at all, and neither did Chambara. I would have enjoyed a Saren/Rei option, or Elenor/Dora.
Here is the strange thing: At no time did I ever consider getting Elenor or Saren involved with Loren. I didn't hate the character, but she was much too young & emotionally immature for me to consider her a romantic option. I'm probably much older than your usual player, so that might have been part of it. But the privileged ice queen thing just doesn't do it for me.
MarikoFeb 19, 2013
My thoughts as a bi female:
I have played through several times now (the expansion is amazing, btw, almost like having a whole new game!), and I have explored several different romance options, but my two standout favourites are:
Elenor & Karin: I just adore Karin, quite frankly. She is so wounded and at the same time so strong, I find her irresistible. Her avatar is absolutely beautiful, and the cut scene once Elenor makes her choice is really lovely. I honestly found it very difficult to choose any other path for Elenor!
Sarin & Draco: I had no particular bias going in as to whether Sarin would end up with a boy or a girl, but I found the interactions between these two characters both sweet and funny. They are really adorable together!
I have tried other combinations--I liked Elenor/Rei, and I went pretty far with Saren/Myrth, but I didn't get the same emotional kick out of it. Mesphit was an interesting option, but I knew it wouldn't end well so I avoided it. Amukiki held no interest for me at all, and neither did Chambara. I would have enjoyed a Saren/Rei option, or Elenor/Dora.
Here is the strange thing: At no time did I ever consider getting Elenor or Saren involved with Loren. I didn't hate the character, but she was much too young & emotionally immature for me to consider her a romantic option. I'm probably much older than your usual player, so that might have been part of it. But the privileged ice queen thing just doesn't do it for me.
I totally agree on the Elenor/Karen pairing although I also like Elenor/Loren in fact I tend to romance both all the way through and when forced to chose I always find myself wishing there was a "Couldn't you both just share me?" option. Imagine that cut scene with Elenor sandwiched between the two of them. lol.
I also agree on the Elenor/Dora pairing. Dora's just so aDORAble :D
SpectralTimeFeb 21, 2013
...You know what'd be an interesting pairing that'll NEVER happen?
Saren X Elinor.
Don't tell me you can't see it...
"...These people are crazy."
"I know, it's like they can't even resolve their basic personality conflicts without someone holding their hand and talking them through every little thing all the time!"
"And all of them always seem to just--"
"--Fall in love with whoever's handy at the drop of a hat, and--"
"--fight like cats in a sack when you wonder how they'd ever just sit down and--"
"--Talk."/"Talk."
"..."
"..."
"...Are you... feeling hungry?"
"...Just a little."
"...I've got some leftover food from when the princess made me cook for her."
"...I'd like that."
jack1974Feb 21, 2013
There was some talking about them mating to have a kid some months ago in forums (of course no clue what thread it was). Indeed I agree would be a cute pairing and kids would be good looking for sure. They would be half-elves though... hmm... small little Draco's!
MarSelFeb 21, 2013
I still think you should add it in the sequel! And the story some people said as to why the other (depending on which you are playing) seemed to fit in too... Just saying
LeadmanFeb 24, 2013
I find people in here a little strange... They wish for Elenor/Dora but not Saren/Dora? In what world does that make sense?
And favorite pairing?
Hmm... I actually play pretty rough myself, so I was very enticed by the Chambara ones... But they ended up being pretty vanilla and a little boring for my tastes.
In general, most of them seem to have considerate, passionate "love-making" and not raunchy SEX, hehe.
But to answer the best pairing... Well, Saren/Draco DOES have some especially cute lines and some funny and memorable quotes, but the CG scene does nothing for me as I am straight.
I think I'll have to go Saren/Loren. It's an evolutionary tale of Loren coming to terms with her own womanhood and such, and I like that.
Elenor/Rei seems promising, so we'll have to see with that one.
FrankaFeb 24, 2013
Saren can have Dora, but only if Elenor can have her too. I'll trade you a Saren/Karen for an Elenor/Myrth, even if it'll just be Saren and Karen whispering their names to each other, over and over.
LeadmanFeb 24, 2013
But Frankie-boy... I don't want Elenor/Myrth, hehe. Though I would be fine with a Saren/Karen one, that doesn't seem too out of place.
That will also be the only and last time I call you Frankie-boy, I promise.